Tansy Harcourt

And it's interesting, I was speaking to somebody from one of the rival big four firms just yesterday, and none of the rival firms are taking any pleasure out of this.

They're all just saying, oh my God, this is too soon and it's bad for the entire industry.

So what comes next is, it's a massive question.

I think that everyone needs to be asking that question and you would have to suspect that there may well be.

I think it's probably quite demoralising.

I think if you look at the, a lot of the jobs that these people have are the kinds of jobs that struggling mums and dads might hope that their children will eventually go to university and have jobs like that.

And so then to find out that it can have this kind of inappropriate behaviour going on there, I think it's, as a mother of teenagers myself, I think you look at that and think, well, that's, it's deeply disappointing.

Yeah.

Oh, absolutely.

And I think, you know, the big four consultancy and auditing firms are excluded in the Corpse Act from any whistleblower protection.

So that makes it very hard for people at those firms to come forward.

And I think that that's something that needs to be

looked at.

And I think actually there is now a review that's about to take place that does look at that.

It's very important for people to feel safe coming forward.

And it's not good enough for these firms to talk about their speak up culture.

And then while they're talking about their speak up culture, actually be suppressing information from whistleblowers.

And that's what happened at KPMG.

It's such an important story.