Tanya Mosley

He's still living in the city.

He's still giving interviews.

He defends what he did.

But you actually decided not to interview him for this book.

How come?

And what I want to say to that, too, what's so interesting is even right now, as I introduced you and introduced the story,

I didn't even name the four boys or the 14.

Yeah.

I want to get more into the young men and who they were and what you found out through your research.

But I want to know what you found out about Goetz, who he was before the day he shot those teenagers.

And that viewpoint, that narrative, I mean, New York in 1984, just to put ourselves there, you articulated it quite well, but it was genuinely a dangerous place.

Crime was high.

The subway was very chaotic.

Lots of crimes happening on the subway.

And where this takes us to, let's go to this day.

Goetz is on the train.

These four teenagers are on the train as well.

They're traveling from the Bronx to lower Manhattan.

One of the boys, Troy Canty, he either asked for or demanded $5 from Goetz.

And then what happened next?