Tanya Mosley

Ma'uz, I have a question.

You know, Tel Aviv was the heart of the Zionist movement, and your grandparents helped build it.

And for them, it was about saving lives.

It was a refuge for Jewish people fleeing persecution.

But today, many people, including some Israelis, look at the settlements, the conditions in Gaza, and argue that

Zionism has produced its own form of displacement and suffering.

And so I just wonder, how do you reconcile that origin with what the world is watching right now?

Aziz, you use the word genocide to describe what's happening in Gaza.

But a lot of people and many Israelis reject that framing entirely.

So how do you two stay as peacemakers in the same conversation with people when you cannot agree on what to call what's happening?

I also wonder, I mean, do you believe that multiple histories can be true at the same time that the Jewish people need a homeland after the Holocaust and that the Palestinian has had the experience of dispossession?

And if both are true, what does that demand of us?

You just said something really interesting where you said, we may disagree that you can go back and right the wrongs of the past, which made me curious.

Have the two of you had conflicts with each other or disagreements about what's true and what's needed?

And how did you work through it?

Wait, what was on your playlist driving through the land?

Let's take a short break.

My guests are Aziz Abu Sarra and Mahmoud Inan.

Their new book is called The Future is Peace, A Shared Journey Across the Holy Land.

We'll be right back.