Tanya Mosley

Mickalene Thomas, thank you so much for this conversation.

Mickalene Thomas is a multidisciplinary visual artist. Her latest exhibition, All About Love, is on view at the Barnes Foundation in Philadelphia. Fresh Air Weekend is produced by Teresa Madden. Fresh Air's executive producer is Danny Miller. Our technical director and engineer is Audrey Bentham.

Mickalene Thomas is a multidisciplinary visual artist. Her latest exhibition, All About Love, is on view at the Barnes Foundation in Philadelphia. Fresh Air Weekend is produced by Teresa Madden. Fresh Air's executive producer is Danny Miller. Our technical director and engineer is Audrey Bentham.

Mickalene Thomas is a multidisciplinary visual artist. Her latest exhibition, All About Love, is on view at the Barnes Foundation in Philadelphia. Fresh Air Weekend is produced by Teresa Madden. Fresh Air's executive producer is Danny Miller. Our technical director and engineer is Audrey Bentham.

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Our interviews and reviews are produced and edited by Phyllis Myers, Anne-Marie Baldonado, Sam Brigger, Lauren Krenzel, Monique Nazareth, Thea Chaloner, Susan Yakundi, and Anna Bauman. Our digital media producer is Molly C.V. Nesper. With Terry Gross, I'm Tanya Mosley.

Our interviews and reviews are produced and edited by Phyllis Myers, Anne-Marie Baldonado, Sam Brigger, Lauren Krenzel, Monique Nazareth, Thea Chaloner, Susan Yakundi, and Anna Bauman. Our digital media producer is Molly C.V. Nesper. With Terry Gross, I'm Tanya Mosley.

I'm Tanya Mosley, co-host of Fresh Air. At a time of sound bites and short attention spans, our show is all about the deep dive. We do long-form interviews with people behind the best in film, books, TV, music, and journalism. Hear our guests open up about their process and their lives in ways you've never heard before. Listen to the Fresh Air podcast from NPR and WHYY.

I'm Tanya Mosley, co-host of Fresh Air. At a time of sound bites and short attention spans, our show is all about the deep dive. We do long-form interviews with people behind the best in film, books, TV, music, and journalism. Hear our guests open up about their process and their lives in ways you've never heard before. Listen to the Fresh Air podcast from NPR and WHYY.

I'm Tanya Mosley, co-host of Fresh Air. At a time of sound bites and short attention spans, our show is all about the deep dive. We do long-form interviews with people behind the best in film, books, TV, music, and journalism. Hear our guests open up about their process and their lives in ways you've never heard before. Listen to the Fresh Air podcast from NPR and WHYY.

This is Fresh Air. I'm Tanya Mosley. As we head into 2025, housing is still one of the most important issues on the minds of millions of Americans. The dream of owning or even renting a place is in peril. People are paying a million dollars for starter homes, new construction is moving at a snail's pace, and the latest data shows that in 2023, home sales were the slowest in three decades.

This is Fresh Air. I'm Tanya Mosley. As we head into 2025, housing is still one of the most important issues on the minds of millions of Americans. The dream of owning or even renting a place is in peril. People are paying a million dollars for starter homes, new construction is moving at a snail's pace, and the latest data shows that in 2023, home sales were the slowest in three decades.

This is Fresh Air. I'm Tanya Mosley. As we head into 2025, housing is still one of the most important issues on the minds of millions of Americans. The dream of owning or even renting a place is in peril. People are paying a million dollars for starter homes, new construction is moving at a snail's pace, and the latest data shows that in 2023, home sales were the slowest in three decades.

Many homeowners aren't selling or upgrading because the market for getting into another house is just too high. Renters aren't catching a break either. On average, they're spending 30% of their income on housing. And that stat includes people who live in places that had the reputation of being more affordable, like the Midwest and the South.

Many homeowners aren't selling or upgrading because the market for getting into another house is just too high. Renters aren't catching a break either. On average, they're spending 30% of their income on housing. And that stat includes people who live in places that had the reputation of being more affordable, like the Midwest and the South.

Many homeowners aren't selling or upgrading because the market for getting into another house is just too high. Renters aren't catching a break either. On average, they're spending 30% of their income on housing. And that stat includes people who live in places that had the reputation of being more affordable, like the Midwest and the South.

changes to our climate are also redrawing real estate maps, impacting where people can live and what they can afford. President-elect Donald Trump says some of his plans to tackle the crisis include regulations on construction, opening up federal land for housing, and mass deportation. How feasible are these ideas? And why is this such a dire moment in the housing crisis?

changes to our climate are also redrawing real estate maps, impacting where people can live and what they can afford. President-elect Donald Trump says some of his plans to tackle the crisis include regulations on construction, opening up federal land for housing, and mass deportation. How feasible are these ideas? And why is this such a dire moment in the housing crisis?

changes to our climate are also redrawing real estate maps, impacting where people can live and what they can afford. President-elect Donald Trump says some of his plans to tackle the crisis include regulations on construction, opening up federal land for housing, and mass deportation. How feasible are these ideas? And why is this such a dire moment in the housing crisis?

Well, our guest today to talk about all of this has been Keyes. He's the Rowan Family Foundation Professor of Real Estate and Finance at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School. He is also a research associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research. And Ben Keyes, welcome to Fresh Air.