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Tanya Mosley

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Fresh Air
Former NBC producer on silence, shame and finding words after #MeToo

I want to take a moment to talk about the language we're using when we're talking about this.

Fresh Air
Former NBC producer on silence, shame and finding words after #MeToo

So without asking you to relive every moment, can you help listeners understand what you say happened in that room and why you describe it specifically as assault?

Fresh Air
Former NBC producer on silence, shame and finding words after #MeToo

Because Ronan Farrow writes that when you went to NBC...

Fresh Air
Former NBC producer on silence, shame and finding words after #MeToo

You unambiguously described a rape.

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Former NBC producer on silence, shame and finding words after #MeToo

That is his read on what you shared.

Fresh Air
Former NBC producer on silence, shame and finding words after #MeToo

But you weren't ready to use that word yourself.

Fresh Air
Former NBC producer on silence, shame and finding words after #MeToo

Matt Lauer has described that night very differently.

Fresh Air
Former NBC producer on silence, shame and finding words after #MeToo

He used words like mutual, consensual, enthusiastic.

Fresh Air
Former NBC producer on silence, shame and finding words after #MeToo

And those were actually words that you yourself used at certain points throughout the years before you came to understand.

Fresh Air
Former NBC producer on silence, shame and finding words after #MeToo

When did your understanding of what happened start to shift?

Fresh Air
Former NBC producer on silence, shame and finding words after #MeToo

In the aftermath of a sexual assault, yes.

Fresh Air
Former NBC producer on silence, shame and finding words after #MeToo

I want to get back to the language thing a little bit because I think it's just really important.

Fresh Air
Former NBC producer on silence, shame and finding words after #MeToo

You spend a lot of time on it in the book.

Fresh Air
Former NBC producer on silence, shame and finding words after #MeToo

And I bring up what Matt said happened because he continually refers to it as an affair.

Fresh Air
Former NBC producer on silence, shame and finding words after #MeToo

For some time, you talked about it as an affair.

Fresh Air
Former NBC producer on silence, shame and finding words after #MeToo

But when you read the story from your point of view...

Fresh Air
Former NBC producer on silence, shame and finding words after #MeToo

It wasn't even transactional.

Fresh Air
Former NBC producer on silence, shame and finding words after #MeToo

There was nothing romantic about it.

Fresh Air
Former NBC producer on silence, shame and finding words after #MeToo

There wasn't even anything.

Fresh Air
Former NBC producer on silence, shame and finding words after #MeToo

It didn't even read like a hookup where there are two people who mutually agree.