Tanya Mosley

Okay.

Yeah, they're designed to be irresistible, basically addictive, like you can't stop eating a bag of Doritos.

You can't eat just one.

One of the things that's so fascinating is you write that ultra-processed foods are responsible for as much as a third of the environmental damage from food in wealthy countries.

First of all, explain that and why is that?

Right.

Triple duty diets.

It's a diet that simultaneously addresses hunger, obesity, and climate change.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, okay, that solution seems clear.

Eat more plants, eat less beef.

But you write that the American food supply provides twice as many calories at the same time as needed, while 40% of food produced is thrown away.

And we're talking about this right as we also are understanding that there's global hunger.

800 million people face global hunger.

So how do we talk seriously about triple duty diets addressing food insecurity when the fundamental structure of our food system is designed to overproduce and waste food?

Is there a country or countries that have successfully implemented anything close to this triple-duty dietary approach?

There is something that you write about when it comes to ultra-processed foods that I was really surprised by, that some of those same products are flooding into rural areas where hunger is highest here in the United States, but also in parts of Africa and Western Asia and the Caribbean.

And they're pushed by these aggressive marketing tactics and these low-prices tactics.

Help us understand what's going on here.

Are wealthy nations essentially creating these foods, then exporting them to the world's poorest regions?