Tanya Mosley

Three days before Christmas in 1984, the teens, who were from the South Bronx, boarded the subway headed downtown.

They were loud and rambunctious.

One of them asked the white man sitting alone for $5.

That man, Bernard Goetz, stood up, unzipped his jacket, pulled out a gun, and shot all four of them.

In the days that followed, Goetz became a hometown hero.

Tabloids crowned him the death wish vigilante, and he received thousands of fan letters, cash donations, and public praise from everyday New Yorkers to celebrities and powerful media figures who framed him as a man who had done what the city could not.

A jury later acquitted Goetz of everything but carrying an unlicensed gun.

Thompson argues the case marked a political turning point when white racial fear was sanctioned by law and leveraged by elites who learned how useful fear could be.

The book is titled Fear and Fury, the Reagan 80s, the Bernie Goetz shootings, and the rebirth of white rage.

Heather Ann Thompson, welcome to Fresh Air.

I want to start with Bernie Goetz.

He was acquitted of attempted murder for the shootings.

He served less than a year on the gun charge.

And he essentially returned to life in New York.

Right now, he's in his 70s.

He's still living in the city.

He's still giving interviews.

He defends what he did.

But you actually decided not to interview him for this book.

How come?