Tara Brown

The really sad thing about this story, in my mind, is that Epstein exposed himself very early on, and law enforcement in Florida

were trying their best to nab this guy.

And if they'd nabbed him, he'd be in jail today, or dead a lot earlier, a lot sooner, without having ruined the lives of so many more.

And so the story that we're looking at next is how did that happen?

There was a will by law enforcement.

That investigation was taken over at a federal level and that investigation stopped.

I don't want to make it sound like it's an explainer, but in a way that's what it evolved into.

We certainly couldn't cover everything that had been dumped in the Epstein files.

Right now in New Mexico, following a tip, there's allegations that there were two young girls who died during violent sex on Epstein's ranch, and that's an allegation, so it is yet to be verified or even investigated properly.

But sadly, as your daughter's identified,

That is perhaps not far from the truth.

In the past, you'd go, oh, that's ridiculous, and let's move on.

And there is a lot of ridiculousness in this, I think.

There are lots of extraordinarily outlandish allegations and tips, and that's part of the issue with the Epson files, working through that.

But the fact that there is a sense of possibility is something kind of new.

if you can remove yourself in some way from the more crazy conspiracies, because the truth itself is terrible.

That's a good question, Michelle, and I'd be lying if I knew the answer to that.

I'm just trying to think of the dates because there's some suggestions that he was abusing girls as early as 1985.

Yeah.

And certainly the tendencies to sort of be inappropriate around young women was evidenced by people at the school that he taught at, Dalton, in New York City, an incredibly prestigious school.