Tarek Mansour

And I mean, I definitely feel this from my perspective of being a independent journalist now for just a few months, but the amount of outreach I've gotten from VC firms, startups, big companies that want to work with me on quote unquote storytelling, and I'm like, no, thanks.

You can just, you know, give me an interview.

But it is a way you don't plug me in that conversation.

No, I plug you a lot.

I plug you a lot.

Um, but I'm not, I'm not, you know, for the person to come in and like brand of the company, right.

It's like figure out how to reach so-and-so audience.

You know, I think of what you do a little more high level, but yeah,

Yeah, I think there's a lot of people who think analytically and from an engineering mindset or a product manager mindset, but very few people who actually can step back and think about how is this actually going to engage an audience.

And I struggle with that.

It's something that I can rotate too much in one way or the other all the time in my work.

And you don't want to like be overly, I don't know, programming overly trying to game the algo.

I mean, we talk about this with the podcast and how we how we do the podcast, but you also want to be relevant.

So it's it seems like a very hard line to walk.

Yeah.

That's why we're all broke as reporters.

Well, speaking of scoops, you want to talk about this interview I did recently?

Yeah, I mean, I've known Nikita for a long time.

I would say he's become a personality in the tech world.

He's this viral master of social apps who sold one to Meta back in the day, TBH, and then another called Gas to Discord.