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I knew a Gordo.
Click on his page real quick.
We didn't know what they were going to do.
They gave us a good sales pitch. We're going to cure syphilis, really. That sounds awesome. Yeah. By any means necessary. All right, let's look into the means. Okay, can we see what that exactly is going to be?
That is a good point. That is an interesting point.
Does anyone understand what just happened?
You know what I mean? They were popping Galileo, right?
They had a good run. Yeah, 400 years ago.
What's up, guys? World's fastest ad read. Please don't skip. New York City. I'm going to be doing my monthly show with Joe Avery, March 25th. Bangor, Maine. I'll be there April 26th. Portland, Maine.
I'll be there April 27th. And a bunch of other dates. Charleston, Atlanta, Strasburg, Hoboken, Indianapolis, Raleigh, Portland, Oregon, Fort Worth, Austin, Stanford, Philly, and a bunch of other dates.
Yeah, all of a sudden.
Yeah, that's rough. Yeah, not a great look.
Yeah, sorry about that. On Al's birthday of all days. Yeah, happy birthday, Al.
Thank you, guys.
Yeah, like, what were the gonorrhea experiments? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, what even does gonorrhea do to you? You just get, like, dick pimples or something? I don't know why you're looking at me.
You're the one holding your dick right now.
You said you had one of them.
Bro, speaking of which, I was holding my little baby over me.
You said speaking of which. of junkie bro of junkie i was holding my little baby near the near the window and uh he threw up onto the radiator oh there's a cover on the radiator so like it kind of went in went through the grate all the way down like the hot part uh didn't bring it up to anyone And then we went out of the house for a walk. Oh, no.
It was just fucking cheese, dude.
The whole part was fondue.
So it's just cooking. It's cooking the vomit.
Yeah, we had to get underneath it, turn it off, wipe it down. Just me, just cleaning up on my wife's birthday.
What'd you get her for her birthday? This is the most annoying thing. I was like, hey, what do you want for your birthday? Like a thing that I could buy you? Maybe we could do an experience. We could get a chef to come and make breakfast.
She just said, you know what? I would just love to hang out with you. Oh, you're a horrible husband.
But a chef would have been... Yeah, because you could have knocked that shit out in an hour.
Who knows where I could have been career-wise?
The guy who gives the tickets looks at my wife. He goes, you can't park here. And my wife's like, that motherfucker don't know what the hell he's talking about. But he knows that you're right either way. You're in a great position. Because either you move the car and you're right or you get a ticket and you come back and you go, oh, that's so weird. We got a ticket. I wonder why.
Oh, he knows that I'm going to be fine.
So he's looking at you like, hey, I got you.
You know, he's dressed like a police officer. Yeah, which calling them meter maids is hilarious. I know.
They are.
Them and Air India are on the ops list. They don't have one uniform that fits them. Every meter maid I've ever seen is in like a size 3X.
They're all Indian. They're all like Sri Lankan.
Yeah. And their outfits are always too big. And they just, when they walk around, they got the big thing on their side and then they give everyone tickets. Yeah, it's very annoying. Bro, my wife has been girl-maffing tickets where she's convinced herself.
Have you seen the new thing where they don't even put a boot on you? They just put a blindfold on your car?
But I look at this, I'm like, oh, I could drive around that. Like, you pop your head out the window, and I think you easily can get away with it.
I bet you a new wheel is cheaper. Oh, I mean, if you do a Persian tire change.
Where you rent the same car that you have, switch out all the tires, and then return your car.
Okay, this is... Buddy G-Wagon. One day, buddy. Just one G-Wagon.
holy shit genius because we don't even think about it because we're like good people but if you come from a place where you don't get rewarded for being good you go okay i'll just take a van but also if you're screwing over like fucking i don't know some car dealer or some car rental car rental people are such scumbags anyway i'm like they're people too mark wait wait why i'm actually
Why are they scumbags? All the car rental people are just the worst. You rent a car, you show up, it's not the car you wanted. They're like, oh, we can put you in a Fiat. And you're like, I'll just kill myself. Dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude.
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He doesn't eat sugar?
I've been going every Sunday and Lent. In Lent. So one Sunday. Yeah, so far.
Yeah, I'm on a streak.
He's off the shixas.
That's great.
I'm sorry.
I think the delusion in America specifically is imbued with religiosity because of Manifest Destiny. Yes. The whole point of America is like, yo, anything's possible and you can make all the money you want because God wants you to. Well, can you explain specifically what Manifest Destiny is?
How that plays a part in... You can go west as far as you want and colonize and kill all the natives because he gives a fuck.
They're both. If you look at Mormon business people, there's so many. The Mary Kay girls that do all the makeup. That first girl was Mormon. There's a whole sub-genre of Mormon mom talk. Like, where it's just, like, TikTok influencers that sell clothing and makeup and shit. All Mormons. All know each other. Just, like, no shame regarding, like, selling themselves. Because they're like, yeah, bro.
Fucking go around and talk to people about Jesus.
In my high school, they would drive up with a bus, five Jamaican ladies would be on it, and then you'd go on, you'd give blood, and they'd give you a movie ticket. And you got to skip class. Yeah. And so they would just milk. But there were 15-year-olds going on this bus giving blood like three times a week.
Now let's get back to the show. Someone's convinced the whole time while she's doing the YouTube channel, she's like, the reason it's going well is because we're promoting God and LDS to the world. Like, that's the reason God has blessed us.
changes the handle from like what is it eight passengers to what moms of truth moms of truth yeah so this girl is like a part of now it's them too yeah not even the family but she's still like you can you can describe she basically kicks out the oldest son the oldest daughter they go to college and they have complete cut off they can't talk to the family at all she says if you talk to the family you're gonna be bringing more demons into the house so for the sake of the family don't talk to us the oldest son gets kicked out because he masturbates you're missing a main detail the woman the the how'd you find out
Which is kind of far. I mean, it's insane. What does a therapist look like?
yeah oh god yeah yeah she was sitting front row at the maple leaf yeah i must have fell asleep and bought her this shit because i don't remember that oh yeah so then basically for nine months the this woman and the therapist are raising the four other kids the husband's out of the picture two oldest kids are out of the picture and then she just starts abusing the shit out of the two youngest kids this is where it gets super fucked up and so who's abusing them
We don't do it for just to be good Samaritans. Yeah, the movie ticket is $40. They sell the blood for $600. It's like an insane market. They sell it? Yeah. Yeah, these buses are just selling it to the hospitals. And they make crazy money on it.
The two of them together. The two moms. Jesus Christ.
So moves the two youngest kids away from their childhood home into the therapist's house, which is like on a compound far out in Utah. It's a mansion in like the desert.
And, like, the house is, like, retrofitted. It's got, like, bunkers underneath. It's got, like, a safe with, like, a panic room. It's got, like, food prepped for months. How does she have money?
That's a good way to put it. And so the kids end up getting abused. Like they have to like go stand in the sun. They have to jump on a trampoline for like 12 hours a day. They force them to like run in like 110 degree weather. And then at one point they're just like bound with like ropes in the basement, just like tied up.
And the mom documents everything in these journals, everything word for word.
the buses were from the hospital that's crazy they're like independent blood harvesters from children fact check this please that seems insane okay so when hollywood does it they're like these evil elite jamaican ladies do it steal blood from children yeah the blood sled team yeah dude it was wild and you gotta skip class so it's a private company that comes and makes money off i don't
it doesn't matter the punishment needs to be more severe killer yeah so the way they found out is that the kid one of the boy that's tied up escapes from the house the therapist leaves the door open he escapes from the house runs across the street like all the way down the driveway like to the nearest neighbor knocks on the door
SWAT comes in, raids the whole house, rescues the sister.
So then basically they go to court. They both plead guilty to six counts of, like, child abuse. And they both get, like, 30, 40 years in prison.
Mine was just the Big Red Bus. That's what it was called. Yeah, we had the Big Red Bus. And they would just pull up, and you got to skip class. No parental consent form or anything.
A strict rule. When you're in college, you can't talk to high school students. They were good guys. Oh, that's funny.
The Ruby thing is crazy because she's forcing the kids to do stuff. She's like, hey, act sad. Hey, be sad in this one. And the kid's like, mom, I don't really want to do this.
Yes. These motherfuckers would just go in a random red bus and just give their blood to anybody. I wanted to start this as a business in college where you go to spring break locations, pull blood out of people, then they get drunk faster, and you get their blood. Wow. That's a win-win. Oh.
Yeah, there's, like, soy secretly and some shit.
she's like oh let's play with them i was like what read them but like i was like do i just like read them like i didn't know what to do what girl left you my wife oh okay she was like yeah just play with the baby i was like i don't know so i like looked at the video i was like oh no like put some water in a pan let him splash in it yeah shit like that i was like oh that's smart that's great that's in
Let me check. That freaks me out. I said no.
Yeah, I think I said no.
He's old now. Yeah.
Fucking hell. I mean, this is what Kevin Spacey did. What's that? He got accused of, like, abusing a kid, and he was like, oh, I'm just gay.
Also, I agree. I'm team Kevin Spacey because I'm pretty sure all the accusers did end up dying. Yeah, so we're not going to sit here and accuse him of anything. No, I'm nothing. I'm Team Spacey, bro. Yeah, there's fucking demons in his asshole, that's for sure. Yeah, I love House of Cards.
True.
But who is this person making good?
I saw Friday. Oh, nice. I saw that. That was one that I did see. Good. I don't remember her in that film, though. Good, good.
My mom told me not to do it.
That's the grade you got on your driving test. Don't let me drive a golf course. Yeah. My mom told me not to do it because if I was on the operating table, they said they would harvest my organs. That's why I knew that was it. That's what my mom told me.
Honestly, they might have been. They did a sperm donation bus right after. It was crazy. Can we speak to that?
This is an interesting woman that's positive. Stop talking about me on the pod.
Go, go, go. He said he wouldn't get a blood transfusion because he doesn't want another man's blood in his penis.
Wait, but does she say that she's... Hold on, pause the audio. Does she say that she's neurodivergent? I mean, look at the face.
It's like one of those classic party situations. Right, Miles? It happens all the time. Just keep podcasting.
Can't we give a show time? Right? They had two great seasons. They deliver every time. The show opens with a murder, a mass shooting at a resort. And everyone on episode two is like, oh, this sucks. I agree with you. We're going somewhere.
It goes crazy.
The monologue is insane. Do you watch that?
He basically just shows the endgame reductionism of sex addiction. So it's like, I was addicted to partying and sex, and then I got addicted to... I wanted to be the guy... I wanted to be the girls that were getting fucked, so I brought these guys over to fuck me. And then I wanted the girls to see me getting fucked so I could look her in the eye so she could see me getting fucked by me.
And then the whole time, Goggin's character is like, huh? He's just being us.
It's amazing. It's so well done. And it's perfect.
I don't understand how you keep a straight face. You're going to stay here in Taiwan? You can't be in Taiwan. You can't die. That's the last episode, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's unbelievable. I mean, I've heard some theories. Go, go, go. That, because this guy's stealing all her lorazepam, right?
And he's the only one that knows where it is. She showed him, hey, I'm putting my purse underneath this thing with drugs. That's my episode that I just watched, yeah. And then all of a sudden all the drugs go missing. And she's like, where are my drugs? And she knows that he's the only one that knows where it is.
It's so fucked.
So is it possible that she knows that he's drugging himself and that is somehow aware of the Empire falling down?
They're like, which race can survive syphilis?
yeah and then she's like shocked she's like what do you mean oh okay i guess i'll take two yeah this is the this is like that guy's the storyteller's like a real brilliant fucking guy my one gripe with this scene where the brothers kiss by the way my one gripe yeah it gives mdma a bad rap oh because they're all molly they don't know i don't think we know they're on a pill ah that everything feels awesome
He also has a face turn in this where he's like, yo, we don't do drugs. Like, why are you taking drugs? He tells the younger brother, he's like, don't do drugs. Yeah. And he's like, ah, fuck it, whatever.
I don't know. I think it was literally just to see like what late term syphilis looked like, like untreated.
Hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil. You saw that metaphor? No, no. At the very beginning scene, when you first see them all coming out on the boat, she has the headphones on.
And the other brother's drinking a beer. So, like, they represent, like, the three monkeys. Oh, wow. Yeah, I saw it on Reddit. I was like, oh, that's really clever. But I know multiple people that won't do MDMA because they're like, oh, it makes you gay. And I was like, no, it doesn't. And then this comes out. I'm like, nah. Well, if you're gay, it does.
That's the thing. I brought this up to my wife. She was like, yeah, that's so weird. I was like, I completely agree, but also if it was hot twins, we'd be like, pretty chill. No, that's... No. Girls? Wait, girls?
But now I feel like she's going to be way more castable. Like after this, I feel like, oh yeah, we want her because of that. Yeah. Like she stands out so much.
Brave. Yeah. Yeah.
Right. That one kid in the first season that goes off and joins the canoe team.
He goes and joins the canoe team. I'm like, that kid's sick as hell. Yeah, I like him.
Oh, that's fire, dude.
That's sick. The demon. I would pull up just to go see him tame the demons, bro. Nah, dude. Nah, she's cruel.
Yeah, wow.
Whoa, that's wild. Kind of weird.
Or were they dating on the low for years and then... Yeah, they might have had a scoop or something. That's wild.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think she's kind of stringing them along. One of them is evil for sure.
I don't know what I'm thinking about. He got spun up. I think the three moms, the MILFs, I think they die. I hope they do. Oh, they're all moms. Yeah, I think so, yeah. I think they die. One of them is married.
The foreshadowing is that they're all walking down the street and they all got water guns and all the water guns are shooting them. And they're all getting sprayed with the water guns when they're walking down the street of whatever that main street is. And I think that's foreshadowing for all things being shot.
Yeah. Like the fact, go. I think when COVID happened, that LA crop, there was like a huge chunk of them that went to Austin. To Austin, yeah. Like Joe included. I think he kind of led the way, but there was just a ton of other LA people that were like, oh, this is- Like a liberal city nearby.
And Mike White is so good at picking up on subtle nuance that he's like, oh, this is the perfect thread. Yeah. Yeah, it's great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, I'm excited to see what happens. I'm gripped. I'm fully in. They got it. All right, what else we got, guys? This UMG Drake thing. Oh.
No, if he does the halftime show at the World Cup, it shuts it down. Game over. I'm Team Drake. Before every show, I put on Drake's hardest hits. It's a playlist on Spotify. Drake's hardest song. It just goes crazy. You just hear a bunch of singing. It goes crazy, bro. It's only the hardest tracks, bro. This is God's plan. That's how I get it. It's God's plan, bro. I believe dumb shit.
It's God's plan, bro. Manifest destiny.
I mean, McGreggy pulled up on Trumpito.
Yeah, it's all redacted. Do we believe that? I don't think they're going to put anything out. They're not. I don't think they ever will. And if it does come out, I think it's going to be a political weapon against the people they want. They're going to be like, Iran killed JFK. We got to go get oil. You know what I mean?
Like the Epstein one, the thing that I think Sagar even said, like they redacted stuff that was already out.
So it's like, I don't know. I don't think we're going to know anything that they don't want us to know.
Yeah. The sense I got was just like hesitant and like he sees that it's a risky play that could pan out, but he does see the risk that's involved in the strategy.
He's rebranded. Have you seen how people rebrand the Teslas?
It's definitely instilling fear.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, this is like the animal protesters that throw tomatoes on a painting. They're like, who's that? Yeah. Have you seen how people are covering their cars now?
Can you search Tesla, Mazda? And so people are now taking their Tesla emblems off their Teslas and putting different car emblems. But it's still a Tesla? Exactly. But they actually look really believable. That's all I got to do to switch up the Cybertruck?
People do that. So this is a Tesla, and they put the Mazda thing on it. They're like, yeah, it's a Mazda. Oh. And someone did it with a Cybertruck. They just put a Toyota decal on the back of it to signal to people like, hey, I'm kind of distancing. Like, obviously it's a Cybertruck, but I'm trying to separate.
It looks kind of fire.
We don't need the flamethrowers.
Hello. I'm good. How are you? Dax signed your shirt?
I was at Sprouts in Nashville. Oh, okay. Our last stop. Yes. And you met my little baby.
I drove around the parking lot to see if the bus was there and was a little sad, but you know, it's fine.
No, but I got to meet Ruth. We love Ruthie. Shout out.
I do. It was March 1st, 2003. It's in Nashville, where I currently am at.
I was seven. I was going to my very first ice skating rink birthday party. Super nervous, super excited. And it was towards the end of Open Skate, right before we were about to get off the ice for cake and presents. I was going to show my mom how good... I had gotten at ice skating. I had picked one of my friend's moms. Her name's Betsy.
You have to start young if you want to be good. I will say most of us were gymnasts. So there's a little more agility there. Sure.
I didn't know this had happened because I am high on life. I'm the best ice skater that there is at this point. You didn't feel it because you were in shock, probably. Yeah. We go to the bathroom and my mom starts trying to wash my hands to kind of see the cut. That's when I noticed, obviously, the blood.
And I was like, let's not do this anymore because it's just pouring more blood out of my hand. She's like, OK. So she grabs my hand again, really tight, lifts it up above the heart and takes it to the counter with a bunch of teenagers asking for the first aid kit. They do their best. They wrap it up really tightly. Thankfully, the hospital was only about five minutes down the road.
So they get me back and they stitch me up. And my mom likes to tell everybody that I always said, no more numbing medicine. Just get the stitches in me because the numbing medicine hurts far worse than the stitches do.
Yes. Thankfully, other than my skin being cut, no ligaments or tendons were damaged.
It's a real Frankenstein situation.
A finger puree on the ice.
And she felt terrible. Can you imagine?
Every time we go ice skating now, anytime someone falls, I immediately clutch my own hands. Yeah. Wow.
More in my adult years. It took me probably about seven years after that before I went ice skating again. Ended up falling and falling on my head. Oh. Then it took another several years before I got back on the ice.
I broke something. That was my career-ending injury, but it wasn't that bad. It was just a fractured ankle. I was already phasing out.
Oh, no. I'm a C-plus gymnast at best. Okay.
I agree.
It's nice to see you again. It's nice to meet you, Monica.
Yes, of course. Claire. We started working together a couple years ago and she recognized this sweatshirt and she goes, are you an arm cherry? And I said, I sure am. And it kickstarted our friendship.
Yeah, I'm sick, so I'm sorry. My voice is off. You're going to have to get healthy before we can talk to you.
I had some cold. I thought it went away. Now it's back. Yeah, these colds.
Apparently.
I do. I'm a twin. We are the babies of seven. About six, they divorced and my dad moved out with his friend girl. Went to another state and kind of left my mom to raise all of us. And he made it really clear that he had left. When I was about 16, she was completely over me and my shit. And so she booted me out here to live with him. Just me. Left everybody back where they were.
What about the twins? Yeah.
It's a boy. So he stayed back. We were freshmen in high school, but I was a pain in the ass. I have a 17 year old right now. And like, God bless her.
I am so blessed by my children that I'm like, how did you do it? And she's like, I sent you. I didn't. So she sent me here and I was nice and sassy. And I was like, you know what? Why'd you leave? Like, what's your problem? Was she worth it? And he's like, wasn't the only one. For all I know, you're some jack guys, baby. Oh. I understood that this Jack guy was like a colleague of my mom's.
I'd heard the name, but I'm like, you're deflecting. You're just trying to take the attention off what you're doing. I was very much not here for it.
But yeah, fair enough. He didn't harp on it. He never really had a lot of nasty things to say about my mom. He was always very kind. He's like, she loves you. But he was tired of being the only one taking the blame. And he kind of wanted to get his story out there. But then we didn't talk about it again.
No, that happened for about a year. And then after I had my third son, my mom mailed me my baby book. And the baby book had all these like cards and crap in it. And then there was a literal Western Union telegram, yellow with the tear on it and everything that said, congratulations on the twins. I'm so happy, Jack.
Yeah, I'm curious. I tried digging and I can't find anything. And I just move on. So a couple of years later, me and my twin decided we were both going to try Ancestry and 23andMe. We wanted to prove that they were full of it. And everyone said the origins are off. We weren't really doing it for DNA purposes. We were just trying to play with it. And we were kind of right.
Like his came up a little bit Irish and mine came up a little Scottish. And then the rest of it was just Eastern European. Didn't think anything of it. 2022, I got back in this Jack fix and I was like, I'm going to figure this out. So I started digging through 23andMe, which had matches that were like fifth cousin nonsense. So I was bored.
So I was like, I'll log into my brother's ancestry because he would have different matches. And sure as shit, I opened up. It says parent-child match, my brother and Jack.
Why didn't yours say that? Jack only did ancestry. Oh, you did different ones.
Oh, I don't like to blow up my family over nothing. So I'm like, I'm going to do my own ancestry because I had done 23 so that I can catch my breath.
We don't live in the same state anymore. So I just let it be. And I didn't know how to process, you know, that's a lot.
I do my own. Ironically, Father's Day is the day I get mine back. I open it up and there is no Jack to be found. And it says that me and my twin brother are half siblings. Wow. Yeah, it's called super feed on cash. I don't know how to say it. No. It's very, very rare. There's like 10 cases in all of America.
Isn't that wild? At literally the exact same time.
What? I'm upset. Don't even know how to tell my brother that he's the only one of us seven that's not.
My dad has got black hair and blue eyes. And my twin is the tallest out of everybody. He's like 6'1". I'm 4'11". And he's blonder. And so is Jack after doing lots and lots of fun research. So then I decided to go crazy on my ancestry and connect some more dots and just try to make sense of it. And I couldn't. I couldn't connect any more dots. So they have these things called DNA angels.
I don't know if you've ever heard of them, but like huge shout out to them. They do it for free. They'll log into your ancestry and they'll help you connect some dots from fifth cousins all the way down to like maybe who your grandfather's father was. So I call on them. I'm like, help me.
So she logs in and about 10 hours later, she calls me and she's like, I'm really sorry, but you're not your dad's either. What?
Stop. She's like, it's one of these three men. They're all brothers. They connect to a grandfather that my DNA connected to.
She sure was. U-S-Y, busy. So I just started the top of the three men. He's the oldest out of all of them closest to my mom's age. His name is James. And about two hours into researching, do I not land on a photo of Jack, James, my mom, all at a conference the year of my birth. I mean, there's like 10 of them, but those three were in the middle.
It's like my mom was in the middle and Jack and James. And I continued to find out Jack was the president of this company and they were the trustees. Now, hold on. Was it a threesome? I ask that question a lot. I've done so much investigating. The only thing I don't know is, did they take turns? Right.
She'd like go down to the bar after. Exactly. Because it would have to be that fast.
Right. I think it was an orgy. Even if she hyperovulated, the studies show it has to be within a couple of days.
No, I haven't confronted her. You haven't. I told my twin, which kind of like ruined our relationship. No. So he called Jack because I'm sitting on it for months. And then he comes out here for our birthdays. And I'm like, so guess what? And he's like, mom got Eiffel Tower. And I was like, that's not funny. What's that mean?
Just think about a knifel tower.
He calls this guy because I had this guy's phone number. Mind you, both these two men are married 50 years plus. So they were married to these women and they still are. He calls him and he's like, hey, guess we parent child matched on Ancestry. And Jack's like, your mom and I agreed we'd never have any contact with you. So bye. Oh, my God. Well, he's afraid. Sure. And I'm not out here to hurt him.
But he could have been like, here's a few medical things you might need to know. Exactly. Minimally, I'm sorry. Yeah.
Well, Jack had no kids.
Well, he knew about us, though.
But he doesn't probably know that I'm James's. He probably thinks he has me and my brother out there.
If your sister calls, it's going to be a longer conversation. He's not my dad, so I can't say anything to him. And then I looked up mine, and he was once upon a time the Supreme Court Justice of a Southern state. So I decided to leave that alone. Holy moly. And he's got kids and grandkids and I'm not ruining anyone's life. It doesn't change who I am. But are you like, what am I?
Yeah, I went to a conference on it. They're called NPE, non-parental event or non-expected parent. And a lot of people are just crying like, the mailman's my dad and my mom lied my whole life and it's my identity. And I'm like, no, it's not. You are who you are. Your blood's blood. I grew up with step-siblings. My kids have had a stepdad. I don't identify with who was in the room that night.
I identify with who I turned out to be and the people that cared to stay in my life. I have great relationships with people that are blood and that aren't. Yeah. Yes. I'm bummed. And I can see why my mom always had just this undercover. I'm not so sure about her. Get rid of her. She just didn't like me.
No way. That would just not only spoil her. Your dad left and cheated. Not only did he do that, but you doubled down, you know, and to tear down a woman in her late 70s. It's just like, what's the point? I told one of my sisters, the other sibs don't know, and she's like, you've got to tell her. And I'm like, no, I don't.
Yeah, I think that they said in just America, there's 12. And then the other countries, there's more. But you don't have a lot of documentation on this. How many twins both do it? You just assume one's DNA is the other's.
And like we shared a room and we shared a lot of time together. And I always thought we had this special bond.
My little boy is though.
Sure.
Oh my God.
Thank you so much for sharing it. Yeah, you guys. It was super fun. I do need to give a shout out to one of my friends, Rebecca. She actually used your story to ask about dyslexia and she gives it to her students at the elementary school she teaches at. And she loves, loves, loves you guys. She got me interested in you guys' podcast.
Yeah, that's lovely.
Can you hear us? I can hear you. Can you hear me okay?
I'm in a tent slash closet. I like to follow rules like Monica. I love that.
There's two reasons. One, my eight-year-old daughter loves Taylor Swift.
Or 37-year-old daughter.
And then my best friend growing up and I, that would be our code name. If we went to a restaurant and we didn't want to say our name or if we met somebody who we didn't want to tell the truth to, we would use Taylor. It goes way back.
No, you invent new rules.
Okay, I'm going to try and do this as best as possible and stick with the timeline.
Okay.
One Saturday in 2012, I was cleaning my stove. I cut my thumb on the metal piece of the burner. I'm trying to push through like it's fine, but it just kept really hurting me. By Monday morning, my thumb was barely swollen. I had to go to the One is a Tdap shot and the other one was a flu vaccine. After I saw the doctor, I went to another room.
I was in there with a nurse and she got the Tdap shot all fixed up, but she didn't know that I needed this other vaccine. So I saw her look at the paper, then realized, oh, she's getting another one. She came back in with the other syringe. She administered both shots into my arm and I went about my day. By that night, I was feeling really off.
So the next morning I wake up and I have no energy whatsoever. I push through my day at work and I'm just not feeling good at all. So I call my mom because she's my best friend and I say, I think I need to go to the emergency room. So she meets me at my house. She's helping me change out of my work clothes and we noticed that my arm where I received the shots
was just so swollen and getting like little red spots. So my mom's like, I wonder if it has to do with shots that you got. So we go to the emergency room. They take me in fairly fast because I had such a bad fever. They give me all the good drugs and I'm still uncomfortable. And they try to say, you know, I think you'll be OK. I think it might just be allergic reaction.
You should probably just go home. And I was like, no, I'm not going to go home. I stay the night. And so that was Tuesday night. The next morning, the nurse comes in to check my temperature and do my vitals. And she puts the thermometer in my ear and she looks at it and she has this face. She took the cap off and put a new one in, put it in her ear to look to make sure she was reading it properly.
So then she drops the thermometer and just walks out the door in a really big hurry. My mom's a nurse. She went over and grabbed the thermometer and she looked at it and showed me it was 105.8. This is why I'm not feeling good. I'm glad my symptoms are showing the pain I'm in. They get three or four doctors in the room.
So they're like, there has to be a pus pocket in your arm because my arm had grown so much bigger since just the day before. Oh my God.
I know. I'm not sure how far I should go with this.
So they pull out this needle, and it is huge. They put that in my arm three to five times, and it was excruciating. And were they pulling out puss? No, there was no puss. They were looking for it. They were trying. They didn't find anything. So they're all kind of like scratching their heads. And we knew one of the doctors. He was like, we're going to do all the tests for you.
So I went into the MRI. As soon as I get out of the MRI, there is already somebody waiting to bring me up to my room. My mom, my dad, and my best friend were waiting right by the door. I couldn't even hardly say hi because the pre-op guy came to get me. Fuck. So it's my mom, my dad, and I in pre-op. The doctor that we know came in and he was like, we read your MRI and it is glowing.
You have necrotizing fasciitis. What?
It's flesh-eating bacteria.
I think it is because they thought it was like an airborne disease. Luckily, it's not. So I got like a really good room. All the nurses that were coming in, you know, it looked like ET. Mercy. They were complaining. Completely covered. I thought you got that from going in the pond.
Every time people see my arm and ask me the story, because I'll tell anybody, and they're like, oh my gosh, it's from the lake, isn't it? And I'm like, no, it's not. But now you're scaring me. I don't want to go in the lake now.
My mom, being the nurse, knew exactly what it was. And I'm looking at him and he's like, well, it's flesh eating bacteria. It was the scariest thing because just a few months before that, there was a report in the news where a lady in Florida had lost all of her limbs with it. And I read so many stories of this poor woman and I just could not believe it.
And then here I am in pre-op ready to go in because I have cancer.
Yeah. When the doctor came in to talk to us about it, he was like, we are so lucky we caught it because it was only in your flesh. It did not get to your muscle yet. Thank God. The next day, the pain was still so bad. As you saw, there's black foam in there. It's called a wound back and it helps heal. I won't go into detail.
It's a very cool machine, but it's really gross if you see the whole contraption working. I couldn't handle the wound back because my arm was still really sore.
Those southern ponds and lakes.
I was in the hospital for 10 days because of my symptoms and my fever. They were afraid that I was still going to either, one, lose my arm, or two, it was going to go to my heart because it was on my left side. Oh. I laugh now, but my boyfriend at the time looks at me and he's like, I can't come to the hospital room every day and see you. I have jobs lined up and then I have a workout routine.
No, we were 30. Oh, geez.
I was in the hospital for 10 days and then I had that wound back in for another three months. Wow. And it just slowly closes up and it has to heal from the inside out. Because if you have an infection, you can't just do stitches to cover it back up.
Yeah, the poor nurse, because I'm sure she didn't mean to do this. But in my heart, I feel like she got the Tdap ready, looked at the paperwork and thought, oh, I got to go get that other vaccine and then put the Tdap syringe on the tray and then went to go get the other syringe with the vaccine in it and then came back and administered it in my arms.
When my arm got swollen, you could actually see where the needle had gone in. So it was like opening up, I guess you could say.
So we think it just wasn't clean.
That's my guess because they did go through and do all the tests to make sure it wasn't the actual lot of those Tdaps. Nobody else in my area had contracted this. I was the lucky one in a million. Wow.
Well, you picked a bad boyfriend. That's the good thing about this. It just showed me who was there for me and who I really should be spending my time with. It really makes you change your perspective on life. You're very positive. I like that.
Thank you. You guys have a good day.
There is a lot of equipment aspects and pieces when it comes to fall applications, especially when you think about anhydrous ammonia. There's all sorts of toolbars, knives, hoses, pumps that we need to be thinking about. So just making sure that we're actively looking over that equipment, making sure that any hoses that are pinched or crimped don't have any cracks in them.
We're not going to have any mid-season leaks or blowouts. So just really thoroughly looking over all of our equipment is going to be really important.
Equipment's ready. Let's make sure when we begin making those applications that we are thinking about the soil temperature. We really want the soil temperature to be 50 degrees and falling, so steady at that 50 degrees and then falling below that.
That's going to help decrease that nitrification process, especially when we have Inserver Instinct next year with it, slowing that overall conversion rate from ammonium to nitrate.
Time frame wise, yes. It's going to depend on where you're at within the U.S. and where we're making these fall applications. The biggest rule of thumb is that 50 degrees and falling for the most part.
Absolutely. So reaching out to your local retailer or Corteva territory manager as well as going to nitrogenstabilizers.com.
Thank you.
They let Jackson Arnold run all over the place. Milrow had a really rough game. The whole offense, I think, had a really brutal game. And thank God Milrow won our September Heisman, because he's not going to win the regular Heisman this year. It was a rough, rough night for the Crimson Tide. And yeah, you're right.
They were in the driver's seat for the SEC Championship game, despite having a bad loss against Vanderbilt and a loss against Tennessee. But, oof, man. Iron Bowl should be interesting. The Iron Bowl will be very interesting this weekend.
Und wie hast du dich auf die Geschichte gescoopt, die du vor jemand anderem hattest?
They just switched it up. Let's move on to our losers, Lucy, because I've got a lot of losers from this weekend. I want to start piggybacking off of the Auburn game to Mike Elko, who got caught saying that he was... Looking ahead for the game against Texas, Auburn, this upcoming weekend.
And then they lost and looked like they were actually looking ahead to Texas and not ready to play Auburn this weekend. Auburn went out to a huge three-touchdown lead. Texas A&M clawed their way back, but could not finish it in overtime. That's brutal. That's a brutal soundbite. Auburn tweeted it out after the game. And I don't know how you recover from that if you're Mike Elko.
Und ich weiß nicht, ob ich mich gut fühle, wenn ein verletzter Quinn Ewers gegen Texas A&M spielt. Aber du hast recht, sie haben sich total verletzt und einen da gedroht. Aber sie haben trotzdem die Chance, sich gegen Texas zu verdienen, dieses kommende Wochenende, was für die SZC-Championschampion-Game-Implikationen groß wäre. Lucy, ich habe ein Hot-Take über Kenny Dillingham.
He's one of my losers from the weekend. I know that people are really into him and they think that he's been energetic and fun. He's done a great job with ASU this year. That's not what this is about. This is about when he tried to run down the clock at the end of the game this past weekend, failed, and then the fans all rushed the field. They added a second back and he freaked out at the refs.
And there is a video of this, which we will play. I don't like any of this. I do not like... The whole thing gave me... I don't know. Can I say it gave me the ick or is that... Are we done saying that? No, you can say the ick. Okay, it gave me the ick. I didn't like how he was upset. It was just weird. It was bad. Bad look.
Und das ist nicht ein Anti-ASU-Tag. Ich mag ihr Team. Ich bin froh für sie. Ich werde weiterhin für ihren Erfolg reiten. Das ist ich, die am Ende des Spiels reagiert haben, als sie nur ein paar Sekunden auf dem Klopfen brauchten. Es blieb fast in seinem Gesicht. BYU war wie,
Oh, Taylor.
They just got run all over. Yeah, it's... The Big 12 tiebreakers are mind-numbing. It goes off of opponents' winning percentage, I think, is the first tiebreaker. And so if all the favorites this weekend went out, there's going to be a multi-way tiebreak. In the Big 12, the favorites don't win every week. There's been...
Es gab eine Menge verrückter Scheiße in dieser Konferenz dieses Jahres und wir könnten die nächsten fünf Minuten dieses Podcasts durch die Tiefbrüche gehen, aber wir werden das nicht tun, weil wir über Rivalry Weekend, Lucy und College Football sprechen werden. Das beste Wochenende des Jahres. Wenn du ein Fan von College Football bist, liebe ich es so sehr.
Ich sitze und esse meine Zutaten und ich schaue College Football für drei Tage und meine Augen blühen und es ist großartig. Welches Spiel bist du am meisten aufgeregt für dieses Wochenende?
Oh yeah, Clemson and South Carolina fans. You could say this about every rival in the sport of football, but man, they really, really, really hate each other. And this is going to have a big playoff implications, which I don't know if we also saw this coming into the season. Like South Carolina has a legitimate shot at the playoff. If they can beat Clemson, they'd have a great ranked win.
Oh.
Clemson has struggled against good teams all year. I think I'm going to take South Carolina winning on the road in this one. But don't tell any of the Clemson fans I know about that. We also have, we mentioned the Iron Bowl. We have Farmageddon, which I only am mentioning, Lucy, because next year they open the season with Farmageddon in Ireland, which is so fun.
Why do they get to play in Ireland and Iowa doesn't? That sucks. I know. Well, I highly recommend the Ireland game if you get a chance to go. If you're a fan of any team playing in Ireland... You should do it. I want to mention Notre Dame really quick because Notre Dame beat Army by, oh my God, 35 points this past weekend at Yankee Stadium.
And now they get to play against their hated rival, USC, on the road. This is going to be a really, really tough game. I think I'm a little nervous for it personally as an NND fan. But if Notre Dame wins, they are in the playoff. And if USC wins, nothing happens because they stink this year. And I would be personally devastated if this game Upset happens. I'm very, very scared.
I hope it goes like the women's basketball game went last weekend and Notre Dame wins by a lot of points and blows out USC in LA. But I'm scared, Lucy. I'm so scared. I feel like you say that every game.
Look, you might be right. I don't know. It's a big weekend. I want to be able to enjoy it in peace and not in sadness and not in tears. The Egg Bowl is Friday. I don't know why. I don't know why the Egg Bowl is Friday. Georgia Tech is Friday too. So is Nebraska, Iowa.
Clean Old Fashioned Hate is my favorite one.
Ich glaube Texas gewinnt, aber ich glaube es ist knapp und ich glaube es ist seltsam. Ja, oh, another big game at Kyle Field this season. I can't wait. This is going to be a hell of a weekend. We'll be back next week to talk about it. And get ready for Conference Championship weekend the following week. Bring back divisions. Happy Thanksgiving.
Dan war wie, wer? Na, Taylor, danke für das Breaking-News-Bulletin. Es gibt jetzt nur zwei aktive FBS-Head-Coaches, die National-Championships in College Football gewonnen haben. Dabo und Kirby. Das ist verrückt. Ende einer Ära für Mac Brown. Er ist 73 Jahre alt und wir wünschen ihm das Beste. Was für eine Saison für ihn. He looks so much older than 73.
If you're traveling this week and you're listening to us on your travels, safe travels. Have fun.
Yeah, he's been through several lifetimes in college football, I guess you could say. And this was a rough season for North Carolina. Taylor's story on Inside Carolina was very good. Good job, Taylor. Yeah, because I remember we talked about this like a few months ago about who's on the hot seat, who isn't. And a lot of those names are now pretty much secure.
But, you know, he just got there. So that would be pretty devastating for Tulane fans. Also Tulane has a shot at making the playoff and early signing days. What in like a week? So tough timing. If you're a playoff team or not a playoff team trying to replace your coach could get interesting. But we need to play Taylor's favorite game in honor of. Ja, genau.
Yeah, I mean, it was so, I mean, the vibes were so good before the game. It was like, man, after that drive, maybe Indiana's in this thing. And then by the end of the game, you had Will Howard putting out a SIG on the sideline. So disrespectful, Lucy.
Unnecessary. Mein Yinzer-Herz wurde zerstört, aber eine nötige dominante Leistung von Ohio State, die jetzt in ihrem großen Rivalry-Spiel dieses Wochenende spielen kann. Aber ja, Indiana, es sah so aus, als wären die Dinge am höchsten möglichen Punkt. Es war so, bitte bleib nicht aus diesem Spiel aus und du hast einen Schuss, um den Playoff zu machen.
Nun, sie wurden aus dem Spiel ausgeschlagen und weil alle anderen verloren sind, sind sie noch dabei. Also sind sie der große Gewinner, meiner Meinung nach. And loser, unfortunately. And loser. I love a weekend where you lose and you win. And that's what happens sometimes in college football. And this year we are feeling the cheesiest with Cheez-It.
Doing our college football recap for Cheez-It this week. Lucy, another big winner, the ACC. Because of all those losses that you mentioned. Können wir einen sneaky 3-ACC-Appearance in der College Football Playoff haben? Ja, es scheint so zu sein, dass wenn Clemson nächstes Wochenende gewinnt, wir in der Tat Clemson, SMU und potenziell auch Miami in der College Football Playoff haben können.
Und das ist furchtbar, je nachdem, wie dreckig wir in der ACC-Saison gespielt haben. Das wäre verrückt.
Ja, wenn du ein ACC-Fan bist, kannst du es hoffen, weil gerade die größten Argumente gegen die drei Teams sind wie, hey, hast du gesehen, was Cal zu Auburn dieses Jahr gemacht hat? Und du weißt, du hast recht, das ist passiert. Wir sollten das nicht auszahlen. Und dann, weißt du, was Auburn gemacht hat? Sie haben sich umgekehrt und sie haben Texas A&M dieses Wochenende gewonnen.
in multiple overtimes anything can happen in college football billy napier is a testament to that because after this team florida that is looked so hopeless earlier this season they gave him the uh vote of confidence i guess the vote of we're not firing you or paying your buyout uh midway through the season and then he's gone and he's scraped together a couple of
A couple of very impressive wins, Lucy. This Ole Miss Florida game was a absolute jumpster fire for Ole Miss. Jackson Dart was like, I'm going to throw a pick to end this game. There's nothing you can do about it. Please don't try to stop me. And they tried to stop him and he just kept doing it. He did it again.
Right, that's also bad. But yeah, Lane's comments about talking to other coaches and wondering if it would be better to miss the SEC Championship game than play in it because of playoff reasons sort of blew up in his and a lot of other SEC coaches' faces this past weekend because there's still a lot of football that you got to play before you get to that point. So really rough.
I mean, Ole Miss should have won this game. Die Postgame-Win-Erwartungen, ich kann mich nicht erinnern, was die Anzahl war, aber sie hatten es, Lucy.
Ja, sicher. Der Kalgerrhythmus. Wir haben schon über den Kalgerrhythmus gesprochen, aber ich möchte sie wieder rüberbringen, weil der Kalgerrhythmus, ein weiterer großer Gewinner vom Wochenende, auch mit Billy Napier in Indiana. Der Kalgerrhythmus hatte einen Comeback-Winner über ihren Rival Stanford und Fernando Mendoza nach dem Spiel. Lucy, hast du sein Postgame-Interview gesehen?
Es war so emotional. Ich habe es gesehen.
Oh my gosh. Taylor, what is your reaction to this crazy breaking news?
Man, Cal, they've had a rough season, rough time in the ACC so far, but this is one of the things about college football that sets it apart. I saw someone tweet this and I want to give them credit, but I can't remember who it was, but like
The difference between college football and the NFL is that on any given Sunday, something can happen in college football that a player will remember for the rest of their life. And I think that was this moment for Cal knocking off Stanford. Just a very, very special moment. We're so happy for them.
Finally, the bowl-less streak has ended for Nebraska. One more winner from the weekend, the Norman, Oklahoma Taco Bell, where Brent Venables and his daughter spent $98 after the upset victory against Alabama. Man, that's a lot of money at Taco Bell. That is a lot of money at Taco Bell. Lucy, if I gave you $98, could you spend that much at Taco Bell right now?
Ich glaube, er ist dort direkt gegangen, nach dem Spiel.
I'm really happy for Brent Venables. That was a big win. Like we said, anything can happen in college football, but holding Alabama to three points.
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now so i have five categories from the 2005 mlb league leaders i have the top five answers so you'll go at the same time writing answers down if the person you guess is number one on the list it's five points gotcha and then you go down like this so much oh this is exciting i'm gonna be bad at this i'm i'm stoked the first category top five hits leaders from the 2005 season
Derek Jeter.
Derek Jeter. That's three points. He was third. So three points each. Okay. Next, I have Carl Crawford. Zero points.
Miguel Cabrera's on this list, right? Miguel Cabrera's not on the list. So the hit leader from that season, Michael Young from the Rangers. See? Ichiro was two. Jeter was three. Miguel Tejada was four. And then Derek Lee was five.
We just traded him there. Second category we'll go to. The home runs leader from the 2005 season. Oh boy. Is this guy still playing then?
I have one.
Chris, you'll reveal first this round. Pujols. Pujols, not on the list.
I had Jim Tome also.
When did he retire?
Barry Bonds was not on the list.
I think 04 was his last one.
Aramis Ramirez, not on the list.
Carlos Quinton, not on the list.
Yeah, all right.
Miguel Cabrera? Miguel Cabrera, not on the list. Wow. Okay. And Adam Dunk.
That's a tie game. So what's our top five? The top five, Andrew Jones led the league in home runs. Andrew Jones? A-Rod was second. David Ortiz was third. A repeat from the hit list, Derek Lee had a season.
And then Manny Ramirez.
Third category, we're going to the wins leaders in the 2005s. Not teams, pitchers.
Roger Clemens. No. Roger Clemens, not on the list. No. Okay. Randy Johnson. Randy Johnson, not on the list. Really? Okay. Pedro. Pedro Martinez, not on the list.
Okay. I'm feeling better about myself. I am feeling like an idiot.
Not on the list. Okay, thank God. Roy Halladay. Roy Halladay. Not on the list. This is insane. Tim Hudson. Tim Hudson.
Mark Pryor, not on the list. You guys are going to kick yourself at who would have been five points. Go. Tell me. Dontrell Willis, the D-Train. Oh, no! 20-plus wins that year. Oh, so Chris Carpenter's on this list. Chris Carpenter was number three.
Bartolo Colon was two, Chris Carpenter was three, Roy Oswalt was four, and then John Garland was fifth place.
Going into the fourth, anybody's game, the fourth category is strikeouts. As a? As a pitcher. Okay. Who was punching people out.
Yeah, now I can't remember any of them. All right.
CeCe Sabathia, not on the list. Chris Carpenter. Chris Carpenter is on the list. He is third on the list, three points. You kept him off? I kept him off.
Roy Oswalt, not on the list.
Randy Johnson, fourth, so you get two points there. Ooh, not three though. Okay, so I'm still one behind you. Pedro Martinez. Pedro Martinez, fifth on the list, so you get one point. So we're tied. Wow. And Bartolo Colon. Bartolo Colon, not on the list. This was Pedro's Met year. Again, you're going to kick yourself on some of these names. I know I am. Johan Santana was first for five points.
Second on the list, somebody you said last round, Jake Peavy.
Four points. No! Would have been four points.
And it was Chris Carpenter, third, Randy Johnson, fourth. And then there was a three-way tie for fifth. Doug Davis, Pedro Martinez, Brett Myers.
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Yeah, so P&G, third annual Battle of the Paddles event. Going to be playing some ping pong with some of our favorite NFL players. I'm teamed up with Kirk Cousins. We're going up against Micah Parsons, Chris Olave, Drake May, who are also teamed up with other celebrity fans. And it's going to be good. Single elimination. We play to 11, got a win by two. I'm excited.
I'm not like an advanced ping pong player, but I feel like I'm good enough to hold my own. But I'm hoping that Kirk Cousins just puts the team on his back and we can get the win in this one.
Like, honestly, I don't.
I don't. But I am a Falcons fan. I am from Georgia. So he is one of my QBs. I have faith in him. Right. But honestly, something about Kirk strikes me as someone who's played ping pong in his day. He gives me that vibe.
Well, I remember I interviewed Kirk, and he said, you know, my teammates always say I have the dad swag, but I think my swag has no swag. I can just see that person being an expert, you know, on the ping pong table. That's how I envision Kirk. I think he's good at probably a lot of, like, alt sports.
I've done some light practicing. I may have stopped at a bar or two. I've learned that I have a much better backhand than I do forehand. There's something about the control, you know, when you're going that way with the backhand. I need to improve my serve just a bit. Honestly, this is my thing with P&G Battle of the Paddles, which obviously I'm super, super excited to be a part of it.
And I want to give you tips. I love this.
Mm, that is, so what's the key to a good slice?
Okay.
This is good. If you have any more tips, please, because I really want to beat Micah.
I want to beat Micah. Because all Micah is going to do is talk trash.
I really don't know. I hope it's Kirk.
Okay, so slice.
Get you a sandpaper racket.
Figure out your underspin.
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All in on that. Now I'm like, okay, I need to get my slice over the net. That's my fear now. It's going to go all the way, but I got you. I'll be working on it.
I'm so excited. I can't wait to be in the building. I love the energy of the Super Bowl. So it's going to be great. And of course, an amazing matchup. And coincidentally enough, the first P&G Battle of the Paddles was the same matchup. It was Eagles-Chiefs.
A little deja vu, but I think that this year I'm going to win Battle of the Paddles. TBD.
I think, and so I am not a person. It's very clear to me that so many people are like anti-Chiefs. They don't want the Chiefs to win. I don't feel that way. I think it's really great that we get to watch greatness. And if they win, I'd be happy for this to repeat and be there to watch history. So if Chiefs win, amazing, good for them. I would personally love to see the Eagles win.
So I will be sort of, you know, with my fan hat on, be rooting for the Eagles. I just love what Saquon has been able to do this year. Happy that Jalen is back in the Super Bowl. I just like the story of it. So I think that's who I'm going to go with.
Well, Saquon, I'm very, very close with Saquon and his family. I've known Saquon since he first got into the league. And it's funny. So every year, obviously Saquon's birthday is February 9th. So this year he's playing the Super Bowl on his birthday. But every year we always do like something really big with his family. Like three years ago, we all did Mexico.
The other year we just rented out the spot and did a big dinner. And after week one this year, I texted and said, I just have a feeling that this is going to be the first year that we are at the Super Bowl. Why do you know? So I'm rooting for the Eagles, for sure.
It's pretty crazy, right?
I saw the vision early.
Well, I think that at this rate, Saquon just, like, loves the story that he now has, right? Right. You know, he went to this new team and just found new life. I interviewed him for our Thursday night football game that we had with the Eagles. And he was just like, you know, I didn't know what my value was going to be. And I didn't know what people thought my worth was going to be.
And he was like, I've learned through this that all of those are just words. Like, what one person thinks about you is different than what somebody else does.
He's just obviously all in with Philly and loves this circumstance and loves his teammate. But, I mean, of course, winning is very fun. So I'd love it too.
Yeah, I'm sure they have that all figured out. But I know it's a birthday. So regardless, there will be some sort of celebration of life. But I know his mind is mainly on winning that game. It's all his friends and family that care about the birthday. He's like, I have a Super Bowl to win. He's like...
Hey, what can I say? Now you know what you can see? Me winning Battle of the Paddles. I got to manifest that.
Yes, P&G Battle of the Paddles. Tune in. Watch some of your favorite NFL players go against one another in a double single elimination tournament. Plans and Ping Pong will be streaming on Complex's YouTube channel Wednesday at 7 Eastern time.
Got you.
I do too. I appreciate the tip.
You too. Bye.
It's a slow burn, but so far Bill Belichick has hired two people. His son as the defensive coordinator and then Lombardi's son as the quarterback coach. And we also got Purdue's backup quarterback.
So we got not the starter, but the guy who couldn't beat out the starter.
It's not Eric Gagne. Four points. In 1997, I helped my own cause and batted 288, winning a silver slugger.
Taylor, who was our final player? I was traded by the team that drafted me for a reliever in a deal that also brought back a pitcher who would later throw a no-hitter. I have a first guess.
That dude was raw. I spent my entire 15 year career with one team. I guess.
I regret to inform you guys, all three of those guesses are wrong. So we're moving on to three points. But that clinches the win for Jordan.
Who is it? Keep going. Keep going. Three points. I am tied with Carlos Ruiz for the record of most no-hitters caught by a catcher with four. Is it Posada? Jeremy, do you have a name written down? Was he traded?
We'll go to two points. I'm tied with Jorge Posada and Yogi Berra for most postseason home runs.
Today you guys are playing Who Am I? You'll get five clues. If you get it on the first clue, you get five points. The second clue, four points and so on. There's no penalty for guessing and getting it wrong because I want to encourage you guys to throw names out there per round. Love this. I never won the Cy Young despite having six top five finishes.
Let's get another clue. Second clue for four points. I was the first pitcher to retire following a 20-win season since Hall of Famer Sandy Koufax in 1966. 20 wins is like, okay.
It's going to be four points for Jordan.
Wow.
All right, Taylor, who's our next player? I feel good about that. Yeah, you should. Wow. Second player for five points. I made my MLB debut in September 2005 as a defensive replacement and struck out in my only two at-bats that season.
All incorrect. We're going to the four points. Okay. All right. Thank goodness. My first name was supposed to be Hamlet because of my grandmother's love of Shakespeare, but the clerk severely messed it up. I've got it. I got it. Yeah. I got it also.
Adnan, the Mets go out, they get Juan Soto, the splash of the free agency. Their pitching was supposed to be their weakness. How do you make sense that the Mets have the best ERA in baseball right now?
who's our third uh player to guess here third player for five points i'm the only pitcher in mob history to throw no hitter against the same team in back-to-back seasons oh i think i know i'm gonna go first and i'm gonna say justin verlander uh i'm gonna go
No. Just let them take it. We're going on to the second clue. Okay, correct. For four points, I was on the cover of MLB 2K9. Oh. MLB 2K9.
For five points, player four, in 2002, I led the MLB in saves with 55.
She just got here, I think. That's why she didn't hear all the other great vest jokes.
Also, Dan, das Ding ist, ich und Stu Gotts haben uns gechannelt und ich habe über Hoops und solche Sachen nachgedacht. Und ich erinnere mich an eine Konversation, die wir am letzten Tag hatten, als Zaz hier war. Wir haben über Coachs gesprochen, als sie früher Coachs waren und Schuhe tragen und all diese Sachen. Und ich hatte nie wirklich eine Vorstellung von den Coachs, die sie sagten.
Ich habe nur die Namen gehört und ich habe gesagt, Gene Hsu. Ich weiß nicht, wer das ist. Aber dann habe ich es gesehen und dann habe ich die Vision gesehen, Dan. Ich habe die Schuhe, die weiße Haare verstanden. Ich verstehe es. Und ich habe einfach ein paar Namen von Leuten geschrieben, die ich mag, wie sie aussehen. Aber wer ist derjenige, den du aufhörst?
Ich werde schauen, ob ich eine Karte von Cotton Fitzsimmons bekomme. Es kostet nur 1,99 Dollar.
Dick Mata, diese Gläser.
Wenn es eine gute Liste ist. Okay, wir haben 45 Sekunden. Okay, hier geht's. Nummer 5. Der Zar Mike Fratello. Oh mein Gott.
Number four, Doug Mo.
Number three, Gene Hsu.
Nummer zwei, Dick Motta. Nummer eins, Chuck Daly.
And they have all their focus on destroying the NCAA that they have no idea that their head coach is out interviewing for other jobs as they speak. As they were taking down the NCAA, Darian DeVries is at Iowa, is at Indiana, having these conversations. Unfortunately, he picked wrong, chose the wrong choice, and decides to sign with Indiana and leaves.
So West Virginia now has waged war with the NCAA. They're coachless. They're not in the NCAA tournament. They're not in the NIT. They declined the invite. So now... Things are bad. And just like a little cherry on top, the team that they focused on, that they were like, we're better than, Carolina.
Carolina in the first four beats the literal crap out of San Diego State to the point where I had to turn it off because it felt excessive. I said, I don't want to watch this. Not safe for young viewers. It was such a beatdown.
I think it's Louisville.
Hey, Taylor. Welcome to God Bless March Madness. Oh, it's so exciting. It's presented by Priceline. Dreaming about that trip? Book it and go to your happy price with Priceline.
He's weird.
I don't know if there's ever been a tournament release where so many coaches have been upset about one seeds, which I know it's only two out of the four, but that's a high number that it's happened twice. Usually people are pretty pleased to be a one seed. So it started with UCLA getting the number one overall seed. They only have... what, two losses on the year to USC both times.
And then South Carolina got the second overall seed. So Dawn Saley was super, super upset, saying that South Carolina deserved the number one overall seed. I test she's absolutely right, correct. What South Carolina did after that UConn loss, which was awful, it was a terrible loss. I haven't seen South Carolina lose like that in a very long time. They've completely turned it around.
They are playing like the best team in the country. And then you saw that in the SEC championship, where... Texas didn't stand a chance. It was all South Carolina the entire time. So Dawn Staley comes out and she's like, we should be the number one overall seed. This is messed up.
And then she kind of pulled a little bit what Alabama did when they were left out of the playoff and was like, we're not going to schedule tough teams anymore if we're not going to be rewarded for that. She was like, okay. And I do agree that South Carolina is the best team in this field. They probably should have been the number one overall seed. However, UCLA was number one overall seed.
UCLA has a head-to-head win over South Carolina. And when they have a head-to-head win over a team, you're like, girl... I think you're right, but they do have a head-to-head win over you, and it's hard to argue with that. And so I do think it's totally valid. I think they're the best team in the tournament.
I think they're going to win the whole thing this year, especially because I think that Dawn Staley definitely believes her team is the best overall team in this field. I think she's doing a little bit of the Kirby Smart thing, you know? Everybody's doubting you. They didn't even think you were the best team in the country. No one believes in you, South Carolina women's basketball.
And so now that there's somewhat of a chip on the shoulder for South Carolina, I think it's pretty much over for everybody else. At the same time, USC, the other one, the one in California, they were like, we don't like our number one seed. I think this one's a little bit more valid, especially because...
USC leads the series against UCLA 2-1, and the first two times they played, USC was really dominant over UCLA in a way that's made me kind of nervous about UCLA's tournament chances. And so USC got the fourth... overall highest seed, which just doesn't really sit right when they have those head-to-head wins over UCLA.
I understand that UCLA beat them at the Big Ten Championship game, but that game was dominated by USC for a large chunk of it. Like, UCLA just came back and kind of had one of those moments. And so what's really upsetting is that USC got UConn as the two seed in their region. And nobody, like, every two seed is good, but UConn is... a particularly good two seed.
As we talked about just a little bit ago, UConn beat the brakes off South Carolina. Like this is not your average two seed. And so the fans are super upset because it's like Juju Page is a matchup you get in the final four, not the elite eight. So USC is unhappy about their seeding. The other USC is unhappy about their seeding. Texas and UCLA, pretty quiet. They seem to be pleased with everything.
Don't you have, like, work to do?
Yeah, they're not having a particularly good time. So it started Selection Sunday. I guess you could say it started in the Big 12 tournament. But Selection Sunday, West Virginia has left out in favor of Carolina, or at least that's the team they're kind of focusing on, the one that they were like, we deserve to be here more than Carolina does. So West Virginia is all levels of bad.
And despite that there were probably a lot more serious problems happening in that state, the governor was like, nope. This is not allowed. You have done it. You have waged war with the state of West Virginia. And so he comes out and is like, NCAA, it's coming for you. Good luck. Hope you're ready for it. Then we're going to destroy the selection committee. All of that is happening.
Incredible spin.
He sees you when you're practicing. He knows your favorite plays. Your script won't work on the first try. Cause he's got it all on tape. Oh, you better watch out. He's getting his guys. You better find out that Ball's PSI. Belichick is coming to town.
Mario Crystal Ball! Ich habe meinen Crystal Ball angeschaut und es sagt, dass du nie einen ACC-Titel gewinnen wirst. Du hattest einen Life Wallet. Wir haben einen Bella Check!
One more time! Bill O'Brien, you learned at Bill Belichick's knee. Now prepare for him to bend you over it and give you that proper spanking.
Dan Levitar, you put air quotes around me as a Carolina insider after I told you specifically Freddy Kitchens was coaching UNC in the Fenway Bowl. You heard the word kitchen and stopped listening to everything I said after. Yeah, get his ass! So this is the story. Give it to me again! I told you this was done and finalized. Adam Schefter said there were still hurdles.
Schefter, that ink was dry and the only hurdles were the one I was leaping over as I ran circles around you. Fuck off!
SMU, you invented cheating in football and didn't win shit. Our head coach perfected it and won six Super Bowls.
Give it to him again! ESPN, the four biggest letters in sports, got scooped on the biggest college football story of all time by someone living in Miami's smallest studio apartment!
Dan Levitard, you tried to bring your school down. I only lift my school up together like the phoenix from the ashes rising as one. The only way Miami could lift you is with a forklift. Das ist ein Scham-Joke.
Jessica, ich bin überrascht bei deinem Fatsch. Er hat mehr, Dan. Er hat mehr Fatsch. Duke Football, willkommen zurück zu einer weiteren Dekade Irrelevanz.
Again! Dave Clawson, what are you still doing here? UNC's mascot is a ram with big balls. And now their head coach is the goat with even bigger balls.
That should be a... Did you say Mario Cristobal? Mario Cristobal and whatever's left of Life Wallet. Best of luck against Bill bleeping Belichick and his giant throbbing 20 million dollar endowment.
Zwei Mal mehr! Zwei Mal mehr. Unser Maske-Name ist Ramses. Die ACC wartet nur noch auf Bill Belichick, Rams, Dees. Und es wird alles auf einer Ringkamera gefilmt, um die ganze Nation zu sehen. Du hast recht, Hopp. Geh wieder, Kind. I have to find where I was! He's reading some notes and he's screaming. Brett Key!
You better lock every door at practice and throw away that key because Bill Belichick is strolling into town!
Today, you guys are going to get a player's career path. You'll have to write down who you think the player is, and then we'll reveal if you get the player right, you get a point. 10 rounds and a hint for you guys. Every player here has made an all-star team. So I'm not just throwing, you know, bottom of the roster guys. That's great.
First player up, a Yankee in 1998, a Marlin from 99 to 2005, and then a Red Sox from 2006 to 2010. Wow.
Yeah, that's... Started with a Marlin to try to help you guys out.
Is that right? Was not Lenny Harris.
It's a reliever, right? It's Mike Lowe.
All right. Second player coming your guys' way. started with the pirates from 96 to 2004 was an a in 2005 2007 cubs 2007 brewers 2008 2009 and then a royal in 2010. all right you know what i have a guess i just thought of something like i have no idea but whatever
It's Jason Kendall.
Player three coming your way was an Astro from 95 to 2003, was a Philly in 0405, was a Met from 2006-2009, Red Sox in 2009, and then Brave in 2010. I don't even have a guess.
Player four was a Minnesota twin from 97 to 2007, was an angel from 2008 to 2012, was a Tiger in 2013 and 2014, and then closed out his career going back to Minnesota in 2015. I think I have a guess, but I'm... Give me a second. Now I'm worried.
We're going to tie this up. Go to question number five. Player five was a Blue Jay from 1993 to 2004. Got it. I know it. Was a Marlin in 2005.
And then was a Met in 2006 to 2009. This one's easy, Jeremy.
All right. Jeremy leads 2-1. Player six was a Royal from 95 to 2000, was an A in 2001, was a Red Sox in 02 to 05, was a Yankee in 06 to 09. I know it. Tiger in 2010. Ray in 2011. And with the Cleveland franchise, 2012. I got it. Hold on. I got it.
Player seven, Jeremy with the lead, was a Blue Jay from 1999 to 2010, was an Angel from 2011 to 2012, was a Yankee from just in 2013. I know this player. I know this player.
It's a 4-2 lead. We're on player number 8. Player 8 was a Tampa Bay Ray from 2002 to 2009. Was a Red Sox in 2011. Wait, do I know this player? and was a Dodger 2013 to 2016. No, this guy started as a Dodger.
Was a Yankee in 87 to 89, was a Blue Jay in 89 to 95, was a Marlin in 96 and 97, was a Met in 98 to 2004, was a Marlin in 05, and then was a Yankee to close out his career also in 2005. That doesn't make me feel good. That doesn't help. Oh, shoot.
The last player was a Dodger in 97-98, was a Red in 1998, and then was a White Sox from 1999 to 2014. This is a jerk move.
It was Paul Canerco.
Welcome to the Pitch Clock. Here's the pitch. A two-part baseball segment combining a nostalgic baseball trivia game and an interview with an expert. This is the Pitch Clock. Another week, another pitch clock. Hi, everybody. We're back. It's me. It's Chris. It's Taylor, as always. We'll get to our MLB expert coming up in just a moment. But Taylor, what is our trivia game for today?
On April 11th, Jose Quintana of the Brewers made history when he beat the Diamondbacks and became the 24th pitcher in MLB history to get a win versus all 30 MLB teams. In front of you guys, you have to guess the other 23 pitchers on that list. And to help you guys out, I gave you the initials of the pitcher, the team they won the game for, and the year they did it.
And it's three strikes and you're out format. Okay. We'll have Chris go first.
See, now, all right, and that's correct. Al Leiter is correct. Yeah, all right. Damn. All right, I'll just go to the next one. 2004 Yankees, Kevin Brown. Never earned his pinstripes, it is Kevin Brown.
2004 is Churchill.
Fourth guess overall. I'm going to go ahead and skip over to 2008. The Phillies, JM. That's Jamie Moyer. Yeah.
It is Jamie Moyer, who pitched until he was 49. Oh, my God.
I love him.
It is Padilla.
All right. I'm going to go ahead. I'm going to try to just stay in chronological order where I can, but I'm going to skip. Ooh, I'm going to go to 2010 San Francisco. I thought you were staying in order. Well, I skipped WW. I skipped RJ. I'm just where I can, you know, that shows you what I don't know. Yeah.
2010 giant is Barry Zito.
Oh, but I'm afraid to say. My plan backfired. I'll get a strike if I need to. 2016 Chicago Cubs, JL. Is that John Lackey?
It is John Lackey. Chris's plan immediately backfired.
I made the same mistake. I think it is so funny that you made the decision to say, let me do the safe one. Got it wrong.
You could say you were lacking the knowledge that he was a cub. Now our 2025 MLB expert is here and I'm really excited to welcome in Ryan Bass because not only is he a fellow UCF Knight, not only is he a fellow MLB in-game reporter for the Tampa Bay Rays, but Ryan, you also have a pretty amazing connection to this show.
So I'm going to give you a second to endear yourself to the audience before we get to your analysis.
You're the man. Thank you for all of those kind words that none of our audience wants to hear whatsoever. What they do want to hear about are Dan's Tampa Bay Rays because you are – the in-game reporter for them. And they've been one of the hotter teams in baseball as of late. They had a nice series sweep over the San Diego Padres. So do me a favor. Let's tell people about this team.
Who's worth watching? What's worth watching? And why is the answer my favorite player in baseball right now, Chandler Simpson?
Let's talk about some sort of general team results here. When you look around Major League Baseball, you look at the standings. Who's a team that has stood out to you as a surprise thus far through about a month of Major League Baseball?
with Javi Baez batting ninth as their everyday center fielder. So that's something, if you're not paying attention to Major League Baseball, that you just learned. Thank you for listening to the Pitch Clock. Anywho. So I have a strike? There's a strike on Chris Cody through four rounds. We have one strike on Chris Cody. And you're back up, Chris.
It is Max Scherzer, and in that start, he had 20 strikeouts. Wow.
Wow. That's impressive. Fun fact. I'll stay in this general area of time and say that the 2015 San Francisco Giants TH, is that Tim Hudson? It is Tim Hudson.
2021 Yankees, Garrett Cole. It is Garrett Cole up against the Astros. I'll go ahead and go one year previous or one slot previous to that. It's 2019. It's the Houston Astros with the initials ZG. That's Zach Rankin.
Against the Royals, correct.
Okay, I'm going to go ahead and say...
I'm just to think out loud here. The 2023 and 2024 selections that are there, I can't understand why I don't know who they are.
Because obviously I should know who they are. The Brave is going to come to me at some point, but the 2023 Met is bothering me.
I think I know the other one, and I'll go there first. Oh, damn it.
2010 New York Yankees JV. Is that Javier Vasquez?
It is Javi.
It is Charlie Morton, who is off to a dreadful start this season. The Rockies are presently on pace for 24 wins this Major League season. Ryan, what in the world is going on with the Rockies?
I don't know how they recover from this. I hate in sports in any sense when we see guys that we know are elite at what they do start to struggle at that thing. And right now, relievers around Major League Baseball, particularly closers, are really struggling. And I want to highlight a couple of them. Emmanuel Class A, who we talked about several times last year on the Pitch Clock.
if not for Tarek Scooble, could have been potentially the Cy Young as a Cleveland Guardian closer. And then there's Devin Williams, who was the big acquisition for the Yankees as a reliever this offseason. What's going on with these closers? Is there something there?
Or, you know, are we going to be looking back at this episode of the Pitch Clock at the end of the season and be going, what were you worried about?
So here we go. I think I've decided that here on the pitch clock, I want to start focusing on stardom around the game to take something from the Lonely Island podcast with Seth Meyers, where those guys are talking about what they refer to as a golden era in SNL, which was, you know, Maya Rudolph and Amy Poehler and Fred Armisen and Bill Hader and all of them.
I think we're in a golden era of stardom and Major League Baseball this week. I have two names for you. They're pretty obvious names within stardom. Paul Skeens, Aaron Judge. Pick the guy you want to, and let's roll.
He's going to go down certainly as one of the greatest right-handed hitters of all time. And to know that we're witnessing that while on the other coast, we have maybe the greatest baseball player who's ever lived in Shohei Otani. It's a great time for it. And you can watch the Tampa Bay Rays with Ryan as their in-game reporter. Follow him on social media.
Thank you very much for joining us on the Pitch Clock. Let's get back to our game. Oh, I realize who that one is. Okay, that works out better. I hate you. So I'm going to go ahead and go 2012 Cleveland, Derek Lowe.
It's Randy Johnson.
I was just no, I can't believe this. All right, man. I really want to get not Woodrow Wilson with the San Diego Padres. I feel like I would remember a WW, right? That's not what I'm not. I'm just going to go ahead and get the one that I know here. The 2023 New York Met is Justin Verlander. It is Justin Verlander.
So that is your second strike.
Pass. I'm going to put Jeremy's official guess as Cliff Lee with a K. All right.
Incorrect.
It's not Daniel Holland. And that's going to be Chris Cody's third strike. Thank God. For a second.
I pass. I pass. I can't. I don't know any of these.
For a second, he had me worried because it is a Daniel. Dan Heron.
Oh, . I throw 88. Damn it. Wow. Dan Heron.
Taylor, can you tell us the other three? Not as gettable. The Ranger in 2004 was Terry Mulholland. The 2006 Padres, Woody Williams. No, that one.
Never heard of that person.
And then 2015, the Milwaukee Brewer, Kyle Loesch.
Taylor, this was a good game. And guess what? It's another victory for your boys. So mad. I'm pretty excited. Hey, another Pitch Clock next week. We'll see you then.
Spiel das Geräusch für mich wieder, bitte. I got two words for you. F*** you. That's right. F*** you and the horse you rode in on. And the cavalry behind you. That's right, motherf***er. Yeah, I'm taking it personal. We gave you our love. We gave you our f***ing heart and soul. It wasn't enough. You turned your cap around after the World Series. I saw that f***ing move. 700 million, 730.
Yeah, it wasn't enough. It wasn't enough. Guaranteed years. It wasn't enough. You don't even choose the Dodgers. You don't even choose the Dodgers. You go off-Broadway to the Mets. You don't want to be on Broadway. And you don't want to be Judge's guy? You don't want to be Judge's partner? Oh, that's right, Judge. Now it's your team. That's it. Let's stick it up his f***ing ass. That's right.
Let's go out. Let's get burned. Let's get f***ed. I don't give a f***.
Our hopes were high when we got you from San Diego. A ridiculous price to pay for a rental that still lost world series. In five games, I thought you'd wear pinstripes forever. But forever's gone away. It's so hard to say goodbye to one so dull.
F*** you. That's right. F*** you and the horse you rode in on. And the cavalry behind you. That's right, motherf***er. Yeah, I'm taking it personal. We gave you our love. We gave you our f***ing heart and soul. It wasn't enough. You turned your cap around after the World Series. I saw that f***ing move. 700 million, 730. Yeah, it wasn't enough. It wasn't enough. Guaranteed years. It wasn't enough.
You don't even choose the Dodgers. You don't even choose the Dodgers. Go off-Broadway to the Mets. You don't want to be on Broadway. Ah.
This is the Dan Levitar Show with the Stugatz Podcast.
Remind me of his title.
No, I think it's more progressive.
He's one of the captains of Team USA going into this tournament.
Oh my goodness. This is the Don Levitard show with the Stugatz.
Well, they were booing it because the Canadian national anthem was so terrible.
Yeah, I think it might actually grow the sport because a lot of demographics that don't usually watch actually watch for the intrigue. So I think it might grow. I can't believe that Yankee story.
From... Face-off dot to face-off dot. Top of the face-off circle to the bottom of the face-off circle. That's how much room that he had. It was a full—like, they were in Rhode Island. That's how wide open they were.
Mike, Jordan Bennington, let's start over time.
Well, going into this tournament, I mean, their inspiration was Johnny Goudreau. And his death and the memorial lies in him in this tournament. That's overshadowed. The fans chanting Johnny Hockey was awesome. That was awesome.
Yeah, it was playoff rules. Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Right.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Oh, sweet. Hey, John. What are you doing? What'd you do?
So how did you, yeah.
I, maybe I'm crazy. I think part of dealing with pain and part of dealing with trauma is metabolizing it, not avoiding it. And so I want to be able to get to a place. My wife thinks I'm, I'm part of like, it's a pathology for me. I'm friends with almost all, not all of them, but almost all of my exes, even back to high school.
Like if I see, hear from them or see them, it's always, I always remember joy and they may remember me like, no, no, we hate you. Like, we don't like you, John. But like, I don't know. I always want to work through those things. There's very, very few people that when their picture comes up that I don't at least smile. Either I'm laughing at them or remember when or that was a good time.
I just, I don't like the avoidance thing. So maybe in a weird way, Apple's like helping us It gives us little annual reminders of how healthy we actually are or not. At the same time, it's really dangerous to have a bad weekend in your marriage and go check out your old college girlfriend. That's really unhealthy, right? And she's becoming a fantasy. She's becoming a numbing behavior.
And also, it's interesting to be like, I wonder where that girl was that I kissed at that dance in seventh grade. Like, where is she at now?
that's natural it's never happened before in human history that we have all that at our fingertips now which leads to a bunch of weird marital challenges but um i don't think it's messy i think it's messy and i don't know how apple does all that stuff so there he goes internet's people you win again all right next question what is your favorite thing to do on a day off
I just, well, so my wife and I went, we had an, I had a speaking event. Woe is me in, at a resort in Mexico. It's pretty awesome. And she came with me and she laughed and I was like, hey, let's do this, this and this. And she just cracked up and she's like, nope, you will sleep 20 hours a day. Like every, every hour you're not working, you're not speaking or doing your thing, you'll be cashed.
And I was like, no way. I just go so hard all the time. I just collapse. And so honestly, I like to rest and be chill. This weekend starts, and I go in seasons, this weekend starts hunting season. And so I get rather feral during the season. And people always comment like, wow, you haven't shaved in a long time. And I'm like, don't speak to me, right?
And then I'll go through like the, it's all coming down the end of January into February. Like, our show's failing. What am I doing? I need to go back and be a professor. This whole thing's awful. And then in March, the sun comes out, and I'm like, let's go. Let's go for a hike. Like, so it just is cyclical and seasonal for me.
Yeah.
Cody, my manager, knows just he doesn't take a lot of my emails during the month of February because they're all caustic and ah. And he also doesn't jump at everything I suggest in March or April or May because he knows I'm overly – I want to take the world on. I'll say yes to everything, and then I'll be sad in October, November. So it's just cyclical, but I like to spend time with my kids.
I love spending time with my wife. She's a close buddy. I like playing music with the gang. I like to go into concerts. I love going to stand-up comedy. And I like being out in the woods, catching something. What about you? What do you like to do besides just drink and get tattoos?
She lies to y'all, America. I tell the truth. She does not.
Isn't she a joy, America?
two of them are a tie when the angels sing which is pretty extraordinary off the white light white heat white trash album and also on that same record my other favorite song by them is I was wrong the song I was wrong became an anthem for me back in 2000 2001 or 2 when it was released and it Mike Ness, the singer of that band, was just the pillar of punk rock attitude.
Not like green day punks where you have green hair and you're like, oh my gosh, girls. But it was like real thick black boots and jeans and we're going to fix the car and we're coming over to your house to burn it. It was like old punks. And so he was the picture of, you don't apologize, you don't say, you just go hit the next guy in the room. And...
when he came out with that song it was at a pivotal point for me growing up like going from being a kid being a college kid to it like i gotta be a grown man now and for whatever reason that lodged itself into my soul like i was wrong and it's okay to say that and the whole song is called i was wrong it's one of my favorite songs of all time but those two songs are pretty amazing all right i'm gonna go again off script off with this favorite favorite guys and roses song
favorite Guns N' Roses song? Great question. I've got multiple memories wrapped around them. Is that okay? Patience was a song that me and a guy named Brandon, who is one of the most amazing musicians I've ever played with. We used to play Patience all the time. We had a little acoustic duo and we'd travel around like little coffee shops and at college and stuff we'd play.
And that was always just the crowd favorite back in the day.
And he was so talented. That was fun. I remember Paradise City coming and being the first. That was like my generation's Bohemian Rhapsody. It was like an eight-minute. There's 14 songs. It's just utter chaos, but it's controlled. And there's a sing-along chorus to it. It was just the perfect song for a guy growing up trying to learn what rock and roll was and wanted to have his own band.
I don't like prepared, slick, like TikTok-y, video-y things. I like listening to somebody. Do you actually know what you're talking about? And is it in your gut somewhere?
Just the strum.
For nerds, like for music nerds, I listened to that intro strum. It's the most perfect, like time signature wise, tonally, like it's the most perfect that, that first chord, I would just hit, I would just back it up, back it up, back it up, because I was so perfect.
And then the end chaos where you can hear everything exploding when you see it live and they're running around and there's rockets everywhere. It's just what it's supposed to be. Like whatever you think rock and roll is supposed to be, it is. That song played live. I remember smiling ear to ear. I've seen it twice live. I smiled ear to ear, and I didn't stop.
It was just every little boy on planet Earth has imagined themselves being Slash, standing up in front of the whole screaming crowd, playing that solo at the end of Paradise City while Axl's running around behind you just doing somersaults.
Yeah. Those are important. And then there was just songs when that, when Aptide for Destruction came out, it was just such an inappropriate record. And it was just a way to like be a little rebellious kid without doing anything. You just had to put your headphones on. And much to my chagrin, 25 or 30 years later, when I saw that concert, I was like, oh, all those songs are downloaded in there.
Like I knew every word to every song. So yeah.
I remember they come out, and they start to play in their first song. And, I mean, the place erupts. And I'm with four of my oldest friends. I mean, three of my oldest friends on the planet. One of the mothers, one of my childhood second moms, She calls me. I live eight hours away. And she said, I know this is crazy.
You know, those words have never, you know, like, Delaney was very prepared. That sentence has never been uttered ever, ever. All right. So let's let them rip.
And this is the mother of one of my oldest friends on the planet who's paraplegic now. She said, I did something crazy. I heard there's a Guns N' Roses show. I bought four tickets. Is there any way you could fly down? And the whole old gang go. And I was like, I will be there. And it was a fun, wild night. But two lines into the first song, I remember going... Whoa, whoa, whoa. I have a daughter.
I'm not singing this. What song was it? I don't want to say.
I just remember going, no, no, no. I have a daughter. We're not. This is. Mr. Rose, you're being rude and tacky. It's inappropriate. Inappropriate. So I crossed my arms for that song. But. Then we got back into it. But I just remember being like, oh my gosh, no kid should have listened to this record.
I know.
I know. Yes.
Favorite Metallica song? My gosh, that's fantastic. Going all the way back, there's a song off their Kill Em All record called Whiplash that I remember being the fastest song I remember thinking I didn't know how human beings could play a song that fast and it being electrified. I remember being like, that's what it... Yeah. I want to play that fast.
And so I remember Whiplash and gosh, I remember all those Ride the Lightning records and I just remember... I guess if I had to pick one, there's just... This is very unpopular to say, but it is very hard to beat Inner Sandman as the greatest metal song of all time.
It's perfect.
I remember being so upset with that song. I wasn't allowed to listen to the record. Like, oh, you guys sold out. Because when they played One, it was about like a war veteran. They played Sanitarium, it was about someone going crazy. So even their slower songs were about something caustic, right? But then just like James having a bad day singing about it.
It sounds like a person being seen naked for the first time. Like, this is me. And there's just that awkwardness to it that's really, it's pretty rich, yeah. Yeah, but Inner Sandman is the perfect metal song. It's the best metal song ever written. It just is. Except for Walk by Pantera. Oh, my gosh. But if I'm being objective, Inner Sandman is the greatest metal song of all time.
All right, so we'll be right back with more Ask Me Anything right after this. All right, we're back. Ask me anything. We just talked music. So what are we talking about now?
We'll just jump right in. We'll talk about trauma.
relationship advice that people get wrong, that they can... Something around they can do something to change their romantic partner. That there's some kind of behavior, some kind of something that I can do to make you do something different. We just don't have that kind of control like we wish we did.
I guess as simply as I could put it is trauma is your body reenacting something in the present that happened to you in the past. And... you can detect it when your body begins to try to protect you from something. That's probably the easiest way I could say that.
Whether it's a hard conversation, whether it's fear, whether it's somebody, you feel somebody coming up behind you, it's just your body trying to take care of you in some shape, form, or fashion. You know what? That's not a good answer. Here's a better answer.
Trauma is when you have a memory of an event, a thing, a person, a situation, and your body goes into fight or flight in the present right now. It jumps to protect you right now. Other things are just actually scary, right? Walking in a dark alley doesn't mean you have trauma.
It just means you're in a dark alley and someone might hatchet murder you as they would in one of your podcasts or in Nate Dogg's dreams. Wild dreams there. But, yeah, trauma is when you have a memory of a person, a place, or thing, an event, or situation, and your body gets flooded. It just tries to protect you. And heart rate, numbing devices, sweaty, like there's any number of things.
Crying, tearful, anything.
I mean, my honest answer is find somebody you can read it to. Go straight through that fear. Like write it down and sit down with somebody and say, I've got to tell you something bananas.
I remember someone who I love dearly, not my wife, someone I love dearly was really struggling with some intrusive thoughts postpartum and had just convinced herself that if somebody knew the thoughts she was having, these images, that they're going to take her kid. And so it was like, all right, let him rip. Tell me. And you just watch this.
I just remember her physiology changing in front of me because she'd been holding it so tight. And I said, you need to go see somebody right away, which she did. But I think there was that initial, I'm not going to take your kid. You're an extraordinary mom. You love your kid. What's going on in your head and in your heart? And then she went and told her OB-GYN, who was amazing too.
So I could actually do something about it. I couldn't do anything about it other than just be there. But yeah, I'll leave it at that.
only in the last year has it gotten very real and it gets it's gotten pretty heavy so in a strange way i have to stay pretty distant from it um because i think at the end like i say this and not to be trite but like i have the easiest part of this thing that's just to sit and talk on the phone with somebody and i look straight at a camera so i don't i don't actually see the person i'm talking to um
Maybe the most common question I get is, I want my partner to stop drinking. How do I... make my partner have more sex with me. How can I, like, you can do things like not be an ass, like be kind. You can do things like be hygienic. You can do some things, but the other person ultimately has to make a decision. Um, more, more heartbreaking. How can I help my husband be less depressed?
And the real heroes are people who listen to this thing and then go sit down and they tell their wife like, hey, I want to do something different. Or I don't know how to be a better dad, but I want to. Or the wives who say like, I need more help around here. And they've never said that. They've never seen somebody model how to say that.
Um, and so, or the person that says I'm struggling pornography or I cheated on you or like whatever it has to, whatever has to happen so that we can go to, to what happens next. Um, and that's bravery. So I'm always impressed with people who call.
I'm always impressed with people who reach out or see me in an airport somewhere and says like, I went and did the thing that, that to me is awesome, but I have to be careful not to try to carry everybody's story. Cause I can't, I don't have that kind of strength. I'm not that strong. And so, um, over the last year I've recognized the weight of it all. And it's pretty cool and it's neat.
And I've had to consciously remain at arm's length from it. Otherwise, it can become a part of my identity and that's not safe. What about you? People write in and say like, hey, thanks to John. And they always say, and team, which I guess it means you. That was me being sarcastic, by the way, everybody.
Yeah, they do way more than I do. But like, how is it for you? Well, because you read all the emails that I don't read. I don't get access to those. Like you read all the emails that come in and you hear the stories over and over.
It's just silence.
But do you ever – one of the coolest things is when somebody stops me somewhere and says – I don't want to bother you. I just need to tell you, I started talking, I've been listening to your show. I started talking to my wife different and it's made all the difference. Or I sat down with my husband and we're seeing a counselor and I think we're going to make it like they'll walk away.
And that's one of the greatest gifts somebody can give me is like, Because we all hit send, right? And we go home to our lives. And it's not like a live event where you can feel it and you know it's there and you meet people after the show and all that. This is just like you hit send. So there's something really extraordinary about somebody stopping and saying, hey, thank you.
I can't tell people who listen what a big deal that is. It's awesome.
Lead guitar for any band. Good gosh. That's a great question. I will probably go to. Yikes. It's a great question, man. Stumperoo. I would go to. 92 to 94. Pantera. There was a. They would. It's the only band I've ever seen. That's not true.
There's only been a couple of bands, very few that you walk into a room and they absolutely have absorbed the soul of that room and, or the stadium or wherever you happen to be. And those were electric seasons. And I just remember that guy could play guitar. Like these were the best of all time ever. And it's pretty cool.
How can I help my wife be less anxious? Or how can I help my wife with her, um, The challenge is you can help with the environment, but at the end of the day, somebody's got to want to or be able to or take your hand and walk with you towards healing. And it's hard when you love somebody and they're hurting on the other end of that.
So yeah, this, the way they could move a crowd with that stuff was, was just astounding to me. What about you?
Queen.
I mean, I've seen most of the bands I wanted to see. I would love to have gone to like...
see somebody like buddy guy or howlin wolf like old blues guys in a dive in new orleans like i would love to see that um shows like that i would love to go see right and catch them in the early days but man um seeing queen yeah and just being swept up in that thing i can't even yeah i'd be that'd be incredible yeah and brian may is just the I mean, he's just the perfect guitar player. Oh, yeah.
So I've seen most of the bands that I wanted to see in my life. It would have been cool to catch Hendrix or something like that. But seeing the spectacle that was Queen would have been amazing.
Yeah. But like that's right when you were doing your first marriage. That was an important time for you.
Whatever. This show is brought to you by Geritol. Yeah.
This is Sacrilege in the rock and roll community. Kiss is the one band that I've never been able to figure out.
I've never understood them. Yeah. Like the fixation. And I hear that a lot of it was reading liner notes because they didn't have MTV back in the day. They didn't have all stuff. All they had were these pictures of these guys in the albums. And that's all you had. There was no websites. There was no social media.
So you just would buy the record and you'd open it and there'd just be these pictures and they would make little booklets. And...
Market everything.
I just think you like him because he was dressed like a cat.
But it's just... Kelly has a thing for men. Fortunately, her husband does not have this, but she loves men with like just stringy Burger King manager mustaches. And Peter Criss just like painted his on. And you loved that. Shout out. I was a Burger King manager mustache. I don't want to try to drag you guys down because y'all are making it happen with that Whopper with cheese.
But like, you know what I mean? Like just the little like, oh, just let's just shave that guy. You love that. I can't hear you.
But I think the most common advice is five tips to make him fall for you or three tips. It's just all bull crap, dude. You can create a context, but the most important thing is can you sit down and look at somebody and say, here's what I want, here's what I need, will you be with me? And they have to say yay or nay. And that's scary, scary.
Every once in a while, I'm right on the nose. Yeah, yeah. All right. All right, we'll be right back to wrap up this AMA if you're still with us. No one's listening to this, Kelly. We'll be right back. All right, we're back with, I guess, the last segment of this Ask Me Anything. It's mostly been talking about Kelly's music preferences.
Oh my gosh. Can I just say the phrases that just popped into my head?
I can and I don't have to. I get to and I will. And I know when to fight, and I know when to provide, and I know when to love, and I know when to lay it all down. And masculinity is knowing when.
We've never really talked about it on this show. We're going to lose some listeners on this one. That's okay. Like you said, no one's listening anymore. I spent years... Learning mixed martial arts so I never have to fight anybody. I can. And I won't. I just will walk away. And I grew up... My dad was a homicide detective.
I grew up around guns and I know how to handle guns so that I never get some fantasy about using them. Right? I know how to...
go out and hunt a deer and to from start to have it in the freezer and then cook it right i know how to do that so man i really enjoy a hamburger and cheeseburger right and so it's it's i think there's this idea that you do all these things so that you can exert your will on the world That's such a lame way to live. It's an exhaustive way to live.
But also equally exhaustive is this new world where men are happy about the things they don't know how to do. I don't know how to do that. I would never want to. That's insane too, right? That's just a little sliver of history. So I think this idea that I can, and because I can, I don't have to, is a, I think Jordan Peterson says, becoming terrifying so that I can be as gentle as possible.
Because if you're not, if you don't have that power and that strength that you know you can draw upon, if I didn't know, I couldn't go get my family food if I needed to, then I become an anxious mess. You follow every political trend and you outsource every decision, everything, every, ah, to everybody else and you never have peace.
And in the book, I don't want to talk about it, by Terry Real, it's one of the top five books of my lifetime, but he talks about going to meet a warring tribal chief, I think in Africa. And he noticed that they were overly, overly affectionate with their sons, holding hands with their sons, hugging their sons, kissing their sons all the time.
It's a lack of control that we don't have a psychology for in our culture.
And he asked about the interplay between this war tribe and this affection. Like, which one is it? And the chief said something along the lines of, It's both and. It's the mark of a true man is knowing when to do which. And that always sat with me. Like, that's it, right? I can, so I don't have to. And that to me is it.
Well, number one, if they don't have a device, they don't have a device. Number two, if a kid shows them something, they're going to show them something at school. I mean... you play as much defense as you can, but you got to send your kids out into the world, which means you can't just, you can't play defense by prevention and have no conversation. You got to talk about it.
And I always go back to those like,
it's the investment in relationships so that when they see something that they can't process, like some kid shows them a terrorist beheading video on some social media account or they show them some, the first topless woman in their sixth grade, show them that for the first time or fourth grade or third grade and they don't have a psychology before they just saw other than it was terrifying or it was awesome or it was like,
Kind of amazing. Or like, I want to throw up. I can't sleep. It's the image stuck in my head. It's the reason you go to breakfast every Tuesday over the course of five years, six years. It's the reason you drive your kid to school with the radio down. There's those reasons so that there's a relational context for when those things pop up.
And you always enter those spaces not with, who showed you that? I'm going to... You show it with, man, thank you for sharing that. That sounds scary. Or... Yeah, somebody that has a shirt on is pretty amazing. That's why it's bounded in this context, right? That's why it's important to, so you're gentle and you open with curiosity, but kids are gonna see stuff, kids are gonna see stuff.
That doesn't mean, because I hear this all the time, they're gonna see it at school, so I might as well, and that's insane. That's like saying my kid might get punched
in a by a bully so i'm just gonna hit him all that like stupid that's just stupid um and there's i mean we're i'm over the top as a parent and um but especially when my son was younger when he's in middle school and elementary school we would if he was going to a place where there's unfettered phones and internet he wouldn't want to go i just said we just said no and thankfully the parents were always so gracious and cool one so
I guess, yeah. You want me to take my shirt off? I can't believe I'm going to say this, but yes. You've been asking for that forever, Kelly. It would help the YouTube show. Yeah, I guess. Let me see here.
um all right let's see here so here's a funny one um so i had this little just gap right here so i got these prayer hands have i told you about this yeah well you told me so i don't know if i got these prayer hands um i just saw them on old social distortion something rather and i thought they were cool um but my daughter they're praying hands but my daughter josephine when i came home she was like
why did you get a tattoo of somebody clapping for you on your own arm? And I was like, she said something like, do you need that? Or so it was so like such a skewer. I think she was six or seven. Um, the Cardinal is my, my grandmother had collected porcelain birds as a little boy. I wasn't allowed to touch them. And I always wanted to.
I think it... I don't know how old that sentiment is, but I'm guessing it's 25 or 30 years old. Maybe I can be way off from that.
And there was a blue bird and a red bird in my eyeline as a little boy. And right before she died, she gave me both of those. And after I got this tattoo, I got it downtown new Orleans, uh, super sketchy, but it was good. And I then came to find out that Cardinals... the myth of the Cardinal is it's somebody that you've lost is, is, is visiting you.
And so I spent a ton of time out in the woods and whenever I'm hunting or just out there in the woods, quiet and a red bird comes, a Cardinal comes, I always just smile. And I think I'm a grandmother. And when I see a bluebird, I just, it's, I pretend it's my granddad and it's cool. And, uh, even the other day, um, a bluebird came and sat right next to me while I was in a tree and just sat there.
And I got this overwhelming sense of peace and, And out of nowhere, I texted my sister and said, this is going to sound crazy, but I just heard from granddad. And he said, whatever you're working through, it's going to be all right. And she texted me back. She goes, well, when I get done crying, I'll call you. And I guess she'd been working.
So it was just a cool little serendipitous is what it is. This was the last Christmas card or birthday card my grandmother wrote me. It just said, we love you. And I had that. They took it and tattooed on it. So I'm just a sentimental guy.
And I got this one because of demons and dragons. I don't know. I'm just like the least hard guy there is.
I mean, I think that's been... Because I think my mom and dad, in their generation of being married, they're in their 70s, men just were and women just were. And then it became this idea that Men, masculinity, this idea, and there's all different derivatives of this, but there's something wrong with it.
Deloney Chela. It would be the Avett Brothers and Turnstile. And... My Weekly Glow. That's our band. Great choice. Great choice. Dumb button. No, I would not pick that band. I don't know. Who else would I pick?
What up? What's going on? This is John with the Dr. John Deloney Show. I'm so glad that you're with us. I'm so, so grateful. Every single one of you. Mowing, vacuuming, just sitting under the covers, trying to ignore your family during the holidays or the new year. When is this coming out, Kelly?
Pantera? I'm trying to think. Yeah, I mean, OG, if I could bring him back from, like, two of them have passed away.
That would have been tough. Turnstile and the Avett Brothers could work. Pantera and the Avett Brothers would be a little bit of a stretch.
It is my show.
You know who else I would bring out? Like, 85, Run DMC.
85, Run DMC and License to Ill Beastie Boys. But they had already written Ill Communication, so they would play some of those songs even though that record wasn't out yet. And then the Avett Brothers would come on and shut the whole thing down. And God, can I just tell you this?
Of all the concerts I've ever seen, in the top five, in the top five, which is a bold statement, Mumford & Sons absolutely annihilated the place that I saw them. It was three dudes, and they had another couple of guys kind of on background instruments. I've never seen anything like it.
It was something to behold how great it was. And so if they showed up as a surprise guest, that'd be kind of cool. I'm not even a huge Mumford & Sons fan. I just remember leaving being like, there's no way I just saw that. Like three dudes come out, or four dudes, and just melt 16,000 people in this closed-air basketball gym. It's pretty cool.
But I love the Avett Brothers with all my heart and Turnstile is just the best. They're the best live band out right now. I don't know. Who would you have? Michael W. Smith for sure. Stephen Chris Chapman for sure.
So you'd have to go to church before and then after. Yeah.
Yeah, there's lots of fistfights in the parking lot already.
George Strait. Yeah, in my top 10.
The fact that men go to work and duke it out with each other every day over tiny little postage stamps of yard, right? There's something wrong with that inherently. And so if men would just... fill in the blank, with any number of different behaviors. And somehow that became a woman's responsibility.
I just remember Chris Stapleton walked out at the Ryman and just started playing this one song. I've never heard an audience that quiet. It was like we were witnessing something very spiritual.
It's unbelievable.
There's no way a human has that much talent and that much kindness. Like everyone talks about him in town like he's the kind. If people would talk about me one quarter of how nicely they talk about him. Like he is just the greatest human being. Anyway. Yes. Okay. So Turnstile would open. Who did I say?
Early 2000s, late 90s, Counting Crows. Back when they were in their heyday.
Gosh, they were amazing.
No, you're talking about Black Crows. Yes, I would love that. I want an All Birds concert.
Black Crows and the Avett Brothers. That would be cool. There'd be lots of drugs at that show being used by you. Me, I'm sober, but she is not. Man. What's your favorite tattoo you have and why? No.
God, you lie. And you lie and you lie. The truth's going to come out. We're in the age of the internets. Your Wikipedia page. Let's do that. We're going to get a
No question. It would be Deloney in Old English across your shoulders. I mean.
No question about that. Like right now, you have those two middle finger tattoos on each shoulder blade, like where the wings would go if you had gotten, like, you have those two giant middle fingers. I would go over the tops of the fingers with just the word Deloney in Old English. It'd be so good.
And when you were always wearing those wife beater, like those tank top things, it would look so rad.
Oh, I'd bring it back for the Deloney tattoo. Yeah, I would. Because when you used to run, you were associate producer of Dave Ramsey's show Forever, and you have like Ramsey in old English, like in that circle right over the top of your belly button.
And she's always held, not always, but for the last couple hundred years especially, she always held chastity, always held the cornerstone here because women have disproportionately held the... if this thing goes bad, right? You have to remain chaste 200 years ago because getting pregnant could kill you, right? Or it could be a great shame to your family if you got pregnant.
I don't pay anything. Yeah, we all can tell, like, Kelly's a volunteer spirit, right? She's just doing this one. Old PB, old pro bono.
Here we go. Death Row is the label that pays you. None of y'all know that? Oh, my gosh.
Y'all break my heart.
What would be the three bands at Taylor Palooza?
But those are like classic rock to you now.
She was a skater boy. She's a later boy. I might have Avril show up and play a song or two.
Oh, and I saw her, and she brought the house down. It was me, three other dads, and 14,000 screaming middle school girls, and that part was kind of awkward, but Avril crushed. Avril crushed.
Thanks for saying that in public. That was a brave thing that you just said out loud. This show's about bravery.
Yeah. And Nate Dogg would just have his strange xylophone bells things that he listens to. No. Just ta-ta-ti-ti-ta.
Again, the amount of drug use that goes on behind that screen, behind the glass. Hey, thank you all for being with us. If you're still listening, I know your holidays are not going well for you. So I hope they will go better for you. And man, I love you, love you, love you, love you. Thank you so much for being with us. We'll be back soon.
So you had to, or you have to just kind of suck it up for the last thousands and thousands of years because you weren't allowed to have a job. You weren't allowed to own property, right? So I think in the last 25, 30, 40 years, as things have changed, The playing field has begun to level a bit with same jobs and rising incomes, and women just have more options. They have looked at men as projects.
Like, oh, I can make him X, Y, and Z.
That's actually a good question, but it sounds right to me.
I can change him. Yeah, yeah. I'll tame the wild dragon. Yeah, yeah.
I don't know. Ben, I know you were called the wild dragon back in high school, so I've never even heard this.
How'd you know? I mean, your tattoo that says wild dragon across your back. I'm making that up, and let's take for granted maybe for all of human history, women have thought, I can change him. Um, I think there's been this assumption that men don't have to, I don't have to change. I can just be the way I am. However I want to, whenever I want to.
And that's just not the case anymore because women can leave. They've got other options. And so, um, maybe that's it.
Does that ring true?
You could get a mortgage and a credit card.
That's when things went sideways in the Kelly Daniel household. But keep going.
This is a special episode. This is an Ask Me Anything that we do at the end or beginning of every year.
I kind of have my life exactly as I want it.
And I want the bad guy, right?
I want the bad boy, but I want him to be the bad guy in the world that I create.
Yeah, but if you're like me, you can hide on the mower, dude. You can just be like, got to mow. This is when you can hide and mow up all your leaves. You're not doing anything. Or you can snowblow. Is that a thing? I just remember that from Short Circuit. Remember that movie?
I can do it.
That's interesting because I've always known about... the world-shifting power of teenage male American Western arrogance. When they would line men up. So like for all human history, they'd line up, you know, warriors and say, 99 out of 100 of you are not coming home. And there was a Zen about it.
There was the, whether it's Marcus Aurelius, whether it is the ancient Eastern, there was a Zen, a, I'm going to give my life to a greater cause. This is my role. And then you get this adoption of a Western male in World War I, World War II. They lined them up and they said, hey, 90% of y'all are not coming home. Nine out of 10 of you will die.
And they lined them up and looked to their left and looked to the right and was like, sucks to be that dude because I'm coming home. And there was this sense of... this insane self aggrandizement. Like I am, I will beat the odds at every turn. And if enough people think that weirdly, a lot of y'all beat the odds, but it never occurred to me that women do that too. Like, you know, I'll change them.
I could change them.
I can do it.
That's it. I'm so worth it. Huh. Look at me learning today on the John Deloney Show. That's awesome.
Oh, jeez. This is the question that's like beyond me because I didn't grow up in this world. I've still got like... I remember my wife hilariously made... Like back in the day, you just had stacks of photos that you would get developed. My wife one time, we were probably three or four years in, she made it. It's hilarious. And I still have it somewhere in the Deloney archive somewhere.
But she made me like a...
uh photo album of all like any x photo that she found and it was it was hilarious like from that's amazing middle school high school into caught like she made this like thing and it was it was funny and it was her kind of being like i won but also like um she's like well she was really pretty and she i mean so it was it made for a hilarious interaction but i don't know i mean i i
I'm sure there's pictures in our house somewhere in an old photo album of my wife's boyfriend. I don't know. I just... I could care less. I know the game has shifted dramatically to all this is public facing and there's these public declarations. What was it that... Who's that country artist that's kind of a big deal right now? Zach something.
Yeah, whose girlfriend said she found out that she got dumped on Instagram, on an Instagram post. Like, it's just a world that's foreign to me. So... I guess here's what I would say is the magic answer. Talk to each other. And I could give seven boxes of farts if the photos of my wife's
ex-boyfriends are somewhere in a photo album if they're on a frame on the wall that's weird right so maybe social media that's what that is now right that's the frame on the wall so yeah i would take them down pretty pretty quick but like in terms of like i don't know that you go and scrub everything um i remember an important conversation with my wife one time and it's i mean this is several years ago it's not a long time ago but i said hey you've never asked
That's literally the most southern thing you've ever said. More northerner? Good job. This show is brought to you by Kelly's reading ability, Hooked on Phonics. She has an app out. You don't. So, hey, this is a special episode. This is an Ask Me Anything that we do at the end or beginning of every year. And, uh... I don't know. We've been doing this for four or five years now.
about X, Y, and Z, this person I dated or that person I dated or who I was dating during this period. And she said something that was really instructive. She said, I've never asked because I can't know. And I said, what do you mean you can't know? And she goes, I just, I can't, I can't. I just don't want to go there. Like, I love my life and I love our life together.
And in my head, I'm thinking, we've been together over a quarter century. And then later on, maybe three, four weeks, a month later, I don't remember. But I said, hey, it feels like there's parts of me that you can't love or that you have to pretend don't exist. And I said, that's weird to me. It's not weird that you don't want to hear the intimate details of my old girlfriends.
That I totally understand. But it is weird to me that there's parts of me, there's closet doors you can't open. And she smiled. She goes, you got me on that. I think you're right on that. And so then out of the blue, maybe six months later, she was like, all right, who are you dating from here to here? And it ended up being a hilarious, funny, like, no way. Like, it was a fun conversation.
But I think we like to pretend that everyone's past doesn't exist up until the moment we're with them. And their history begins the day we say hi, right? And I don't think that's healthy. I think there's a healthier aspect to know. Like, I want to know all of you. I want to know about you. And if there's parts of you that I think I can't know about...
I mean, my understanding of exposure therapy and working with anxiety and dysthymia, like, you have to head into that. Like, tell me about it. I want to know all of you. And there's always the moron who weaponizes. Like, that doesn't mean you go into all of the grotesque details of all of your escapades and all of your, well, she was really good at, no, no, no. You're a terrible person. Break up.
But I think there's something about knowing each other's history.
And plus, like, every, like, six weeks or seven weeks, like, you get, like, half a bottle of red wine, and you're just, like, going through the box, and you're like, and then... A, no, I don't drink.
knows she made a life with somebody. And it didn't work out. For whatever reason, it didn't work out. And so, that's a part of whoever that person's gonna date. So, pretending that didn't happen is insane. And also...
Like there's that Michael Scott, remember when he's dating that woman and he cuts out her ex-husband's face on a ski photo with the family and tapes his face in there, glues his face in there? Don't do that. That's insane, right? And I do think there's a moment where if your friend got remarried, having a bunch of photos in the house of another guy hanging on the wall, that's weird, right?
So I can see a bunch of photos on my social media profile. Um, if you're newly married to someone who used to have a long-term, like that's weird, that's weird, but is what it is.
So we've maybe done two or three of them. So maybe sometimes we do this.
It's still a good, am I the problem?
All right. Well, this one is, my husband and I have been married for 14 years. His family never includes me in any announcements, engagements, pregnancies, births, et cetera. They only tell my husband. He asked them to include me and I've expressed desires for that to happen, but they still don't.
Not only that, when I tell them our big news, pregnancy after multiple miscarriages, they don't respond. When we're together in person, things are fine, but we all live in different states and rarely see each other. I constantly feel like an outsider only catching bits of everyone's lives through my husband, who isn't the best communicator. Am I the problem for wanting to belong?
14 years.
Definitely. They kind of suck. They should respond.
Hi, guys. So I got myself into quite a mess. I'm $113,000 in debt, and I'm getting married in one month and having a baby daughter in two months. We're trying to figure out how to get out of this.
25.
So 18K in federal student loans, 57K in private loans, and then 38K across three credit cards.
10K, 11K, and 17K.
So I have an engineering job, and I make 82K a year from the engineering job.
No, she'll be staying home with the baby.
Does she have any debt? No, she's got $40,000 in cash.
We're working together. She's...
okay with using her money to pay off some of my debt but i don't know exactly how to approach that conversation yet because i feel kind of bad because it's her money sure she made before she even met me and there is one more thing to add to the equation i do have an online business i started six months ago and last month i made 40k um so that's very good but that's obviously very is that part of the 82 000 or is that additional
That's additional, but it's variable. Where is that money right now? I put everything into debt, so every single ounce of profit I'm using to pay off my debt.
I profited like $30,000, so I paid off $30,000. Okay, gotcha.
Yeah, that's correct.
Well, this business is six months old and in total over the past six months I've made 82 K and then obviously half of that was last month. So it's, yeah, it's uncertain.
Yeah. And I guess one last one last bombshell. I have a leased car, but she has a paid off car. So I'm assuming I should get out of that lease and either stick to one car until we're debt free or just buy something in cash.
Yes, we have. We've had that conversation. When I said she's open to it, I just haven't. She knows how much I'm in debt. She knows how much I make. She's going to stay home. We have that all laid out. We just haven't decided for sure that $40,000 is going to all get wiped out and go right to my credit card debt.
Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my call. I appreciate that. So I am almost 73 in a month or so, debt-free, but I'm paying $650 a month for $350,000 worth of term life insurance, and I'm wondering, is that a good investment, or should I...
cancel and invest that money somewhere else why is it so expensive well once i turned 70 i had a term i had a 30-year term all the way up to 70 and then once i hit 70 each year um last last year i was paying 550 this year it's up to 660 i think it is and it's only for 350 of coverage yeah what's your net worth yeah Well, my house is paid off $800,000. I've got a little over $100,000 in IRA.
My wife's got about $20,000 in another IRA there. I've got about $48,000 passive income coming in from retirement. And then I'm still working, actually.
Total for about $150,000. $25,000 a year. Yeah.
That's the question. That's what I'm calling it. I don't know. I don't think she does. Well, you know.
Well, of course, yeah, no, she wouldn't. But by the same token, Kim, I wouldn't want her to have to sell the house or think she had to sell the house. Exactly. And all of my kids, they're doing well.
It just started this in May, and it'll go a year, and then it'll go up again next year again.
Well, as it keeps going up, I'm thinking, and really, Kim, you tell me if this is goofy, but I'm thinking, okay, hey, let my kids start paying for it. Because, you know, listen, when we leave, you know, obviously our kids are going to get their inheritance. It's like, hey, if you guys want this life insurance, you can pay it. No, I don't like that.
I've got an IRA that I've put in $100 a month. I haven't really put a lot of money into that over the last few years. So you're not investing 15%? I'm not, no. But let me ask you this, because last year I called a financial guy, Kim, you mentioned, I heard you talking about getting a professional to help us.
I called him, somebody I knew, and I said, look, I wanted to take all my money out of my IRA and put it on Costco stock. My daughter works for Costco. I know Costco.
Well, OK, yeah, you say that. But let me tell you, if I would have done it last year, 40 percent was up last year. So, yeah, I know it sounds because everybody's, you know, like, oh, no, you got to diversify. You got to do this. Well, you know, Costco is not going anywhere. People got to eat.
one too there he is hey taylor i was messing up i'm pushing the wrong buttons like i've never done this before you're fine hey man what's up how you guys um i got a question um we are in baby step two we paid off about thirty thousand dollars in credit cards in about the last 12 to 14 months um but we uh we separated about uh eight weeks ago why um I think it was a breakdown of communication.
Usually is. Why? I'm sorry? Usually is. Why did you separate? I think it's just communication. She realized she wasn't happy with some things and wants some time apart to figure some stuff out. We are in agreement with finances. We want to continue paying down everything. We're not hiding money from each other.
Um, my question is we're both actually, I'm facing a pretty serious health issue right now. And she is too. Um, right now, should we continue down paying everything off or should we just be stockpiling cash in case, you know, certain things happen with some diagnoses?
We've agreed to not make any major decisions for four to six months.
Um, probably just maybe, uh, reconnecting, uh, working on the communication issues and just deciding what we both want, um, in life, I guess.
No, there's no abuse.
Honestly, we're trying to work that out through therapy. Okay. Right now we're seeing a therapist separately, hopefully eventually two come together. Right now I think she's just in a place where she wants to find out what she wants in life.
um like i said the marriage wasn't perfect but there was no abuse there was no infidelity uh nothing like that um i i can't really give you a straight answer about exactly what happened but i can definitely say there's no abuse or infidelity or well no no marriage is perfect but you try to figure out what you want in life before you say i do you don't say i do and then get a couple years in and then be like well you know i don't really know what i want
Um, but we've been married and we've been married almost 20 years. So I don't know if this is just, and it's, it was always, we've always had a very happy marriage. So I'm just not sure what, um, obviously I want to stay married. I want to work this out. That's my desire.
Um, I just, uh, I think she's just in a different place right now, but with both of us facing health issues that kind of throws a wrench in, cause I'm actually facing a cancer diagnosis right now, possibly.
Hi, thanks so much for taking my call.
So my question is, should I go back to school and pursue my nurse practitioner license?
So I'm currently working as a nurse. I'm newly married, and I make about $75K before taxes. My husband makes about $100K before taxes. And it's something that I've always considered doing. And I just, we don't have any kids yet. So I kind of feel like maybe it's now or never.
But my biggest concern is I've watched several of my friends go back to school and then they have had babies or kids in life come up and they have decided to be a stay-at-home mom. And so I'm a little bit nervous to make that decision, that financial decision to go back to school again. before having kids.
And then I don't want to regret when I have kids still having to work because of that degree.
Right. Yeah. That would be the plan. We actually already have the cash set aside.
Yeah, I think it's just sacrifice over the next two years. I mean, if I didn't go back to school, we would start our family a little bit sooner, I think probably within the year. And going back to school means pushing that off for two years. And so I think just kind of struggling with that and if that's right.
Right. And I mean, I know kids are, I mean, we're only 28. And so starting a family at 30 isn't crazy. So it's just kind of trying to decide if, you know, it makes more sense to go and increase my income before we have kids rather than having them and then trying to, you know, suffer through school and daycare and everything else.
Amazing.
But in 15 months was the almost.
And I do international documentation for JBS.
It was everything. We had credit card debt, student loan debt, and... I'm blanking. I am service.
Watch it or I will come take your job.
We had it all. So when we started this journey... It was hard because in 2021, we had barely just been married. We've only been together for six years. And between us, we have seven kids.
And so a combo marriage. And we both brought debt to the table. And then we fought a lot. It was many, many arguments, many tears, many slammed doors in the house. And then... It was in the summer of 2021. I started listening to Ramsey. And after about two months, I went home. And one night I was excited. And I told Brian, I said, hey, we need to do this.
You need to start listening to these shows. And he looked at me. He goes, I'm not going to do MLM. I said, it's not multi.
I said, no, this is you buckling down and paying off your debt. And so I wasn't sure how to approach this because money was a huge argument for us. And we were both embarrassed. We were both frustrated. And so we didn't know how to communicate. So I reached out to Andy Thiel, who was from our financial advisor, and I asked him to come to the house one day. And so he came over and he sat down and
We were talking numbers. So Brian said, no, I'm not going to sit here and talk. And so I sat there with Andy and I slid a piece of paper across the table and I said, well, here's our debt. Here's our income. Here's our age. Where will we be at retirement? And he kind of looked at me dumbfounded when he looked at the number and he didn't say anything. He got up and left.
And about a week and a half later, he called back and he says.
I have some charts and graphs and I have some numbers I said can I get you and your husband to sit down so he came back to the house and again I said Brian would you come sit down and Brian's like you know but he did he came over he stood next to me wouldn't sit and then when Andy brought out the charts and graphs he goes I don't he goes when I left your house he goes it was very dismal he goes I was nervous for you guys because of where you're at with your age and what your debt was and
And he didn't see how we were going to get out of this. And he goes, I don't know what your plan is. He goes, but what you have shown me. And he slid the charts of grass over. He goes, you guys will be self-made millionaires at retirement. And right now, Brian is 55, and I am 50. No, he's 57, and I'm 50. 55 sounds better. I'm 54. I'm nervous. I'm flubbing up here.
Well, we are completely debt-free. We're on Baby Steps 3. Except the house. Except the house. That's true.
Well, I made up a graph, and it's one of those little thermometers, and I put it on the wall right outside of our bedroom door, so we were forced to walk past it every day to see what our actual debt value was, and then we filled it in, colored it in as we went and paid off the debt. But that first month when I sat down, because it's a hard thing to do with that EveryDollar app.
It took me the three months to really get it figured out. It's a stumbling project, but... And that first month, I looked at him, and I said, we spend way too much eating out. And so we did a 30-day challenge, and that was a hard one.
No eating out.
But when we got done, he was like, well, I want to be able to have some enjoyment. And I said, well, let's just do two dates a month where we have one with the family and then just one with us. And we were going to put that in the budget, which I did, but we didn't use it because we realized how much money it was costing to eat out. So we just kind of quit everything altogether and
This is our first trip since we started this. This is the first.
We're all out on this.
It's one you guys recommended, actually.
Can I give a shout out to all of our kids?
So they range from 33 down to 15. Wow. Wow. So we have Brianna, Ian, Tyler, Brandon, Aaron, Claire, and Tyler. And yes, we have two Tylers, one from each of us. Our kids are our motivator, too, because we realize, looking back, both of us have lived paycheck to paycheck, and it's a hard struggle, and we don't want our kids to follow in that path.
So the two living at home are the two youngest ones, Claire and Tyler, and they've watched our struggles, and they've felt the heartaches that we've been going through as well.
My mom was probably my biggest one, and then we were cheerleaders for each other, but my mom, she checked in quite often, and she would send text messages, and I'd send her pictures of the graph, and she was the one that was probably the biggest one for me. That's awesome.
be smart sit down with the financial the thing that woke me up was looking at what money we didn't have and realizing how far in debt we were and we you know we made a big mistake we pulled out 70 000 out of our retirement as a down payment on our house before ramsey and realized you know that was probably one of the biggest mistakes we ever made because that's like a 430 000 mistake but we we just weren't set up for retirement at the time and that now we're on track
Three, two, one. We are free! Woo! Woo!
At the reveal, I almost was like, Are you actually in the military?
And I mean, also, it was interesting in the pods, like I just come back from New York Fashion Week and Garrett was like, I'd love to go to New York Fashion Week. And I was like, really? And then you started. Who are you? I was like, there's an actor over there. He does physics. And she sees me come out and she's like, he was lying. He loves his family and he likes fashion.
And like, I was like, oh my God.
that's crazy and you described this this jacket you were wearing for like 20 minutes oh my god the date ended i was describing shishiko fabric to her and i was like they normally give you a heads up and i went long and like the date ended i was like oh my god what an idiot no there was like a there's like a they're like a minute left and garrett's like still going off i didn't hear it and then this year you know ironically you got invited to model in new york fashion week and i went with him and was like the little instagram wife this is before you were famous
No? No. I mean, to be completely honest, Garrett and I were not attracted to each other at first. Yeah. What? Like, we were, like, really in... I think we were really in love with each other. Yeah. Well, I think it's not because I didn't think he was a good-looking guy, and it's not because he didn't think I was a good-looking person. It's because...
your brain just explodes when you do the reveal. Like I can't describe the simulation that we were in in a good way. But like for 10 days of like falling in love with someone by just talking about things and then you don't really build up an image in your mind and then the doors open and there's like 70 cameras on you.
Like you're excited and your adrenaline's rushing and like, but you're still kind of like...
what just happened to me but then like we got to Cabo together and had you can put the your fate their voice is still trying to be a part of their face and so and then in Cabo I was like oh yeah this guy's really hot like I'm more comfortable I can this is the person on the other side I it's really hard to describe yeah
Kissing you is really great though. That was great. You're a really great kisser.
This is the time.
So truly, they're loaded. Oh, my God. I Airbnb'd the apartment in San Diego. That's smart.
Yeah. It's it's also like besides like my mom texting me on the way to dropping me off at like the train station to go to the pod. She's like, no shower scenes.
I felt like there was something wrong with me because like you're in Cabo and everyone's talking about like what they're doing in the bedroom. And like it's obviously an important part of a relationship, especially to like get married for sure. But I just I never got there that I was comfortable talking about on camera. And like that's OK.
Like there's other people that are totally fine like sharing that. I just. I knew I was going to be watching this with my parents and I actually have to be with them for forever. So compared to this show.
Oh, yeah. I was like, Garrett gets an A in physical chemistry.
Very PG.
kind of seems centered around that and it seemed to be a big reason why they ultimately didn't work out so it kind of it can cut both ways where you know yeah i i honestly don't have a ton of visibility into like the like everything that happened and all the conversations between marissa and ramses um but yeah
Yeah. And I think just like to his point that like your physical connection with someone is something that you could have a focus on and it could be too much of a focus to the point that like you're not getting to the things that you absolutely need to get to the end of this.
And like I do think that that physicality is important, but I think it comes like it's even better when you kind of get all those other fundamentals in line first.
Yeah, I mean, it was really special to watch your love story back. And Garrett and I are, like, such logical people with, like, very technical jobs. And we went in with, like, maybe there's a 1% chance my person is here. And then to have these, like, feelings that are, like, kind of undescribable, having to do that in a visual medium, like, I think was just kind of how it all played out.
Like, you know, Garrett saying, every molecule of my body. And I was like, oh, my God, we're so nerdy. Yeah.
Well, I want to clarify. It's funny. On the show, it seems like we decided we're moving to San Diego immediately after getting married. And that was never the discussion. It was like, where do we want to raise our family? And so that was in like five to seven years. And then in between five to seven years and then we were planning to digital nomad.
I'm such an idiot. Yeah. We're flying to San Diego 6am the next day. And like, I'd kind of put an artificial timeline, not artificial, but a different timeline of not just getting to the altar, but I didn't want you to meet my parents and ask my dad for my hand in marriage if I wasn't sure. And so having to figure that out super quickly. And so I knew that you were...
a great guy and I I know my gut told me you weren't lying to me but the facts at the time like were really tough as a person who's like a collection of human experiences of like dating people that haven't worked out and being with guys that have lied to me and have cheated on me and you're seeing all these relationships fall apart around you and so it was tough but I'm
I know that you weren't lying to me and we got through it. And seriously, like never even think about it.
Yeah, I didn't.
And I feel bad for her. Like, I genuinely, if I were in her position, I'd be crushed. And, like, I never... wanted you to tell her to fuck off or like make her feel worse it's an anomalous incredible situation that we're in and like clearly like she still had hope that you guys would still be together and so yeah I do feel bad listen everyone has exes everyone at some point has to move on
We both have completely remote and flexible homes. And we kind of tried it out a little bit. And that's really tough to do as like an individual person, let alone working on a new marriage. And Garrett's I won't speak for you, but he has been in Fredericksburg his entire life and moving to a new city is a lot.
Just like that. This is being Garrett. Yeah.
We're still alive. I know. I wish I was like, can we take five before I like share happy stories and I like can do some jumping jacks or something.
marissa and ramses like caught me off guard um just because i thought they were you have a year to talk about this stuff with your ex and like hash it out and i thought they were on on really good terms going into that so i was pretty but it's fresh right i don't blame marissa for maybe feeling like we just watched this in a hotel room by yourself and i cried i cried i bawled my eyes out like that was rough and to have to relive and process that but then like yeah it's a weird feeling
it's a weird feeling. So yeah, that, I think that really surprised me.
Yeah, because it's like if you say something, I felt like Hannah was trying to get you involved. And we're not going to solve anything here.
Yeah, I don't want to make excuses for Hannah. I feel like it was an opportunity to just try to clear the slate. And I feel like Nick made an honest effort to do that. And I don't think I started out in knowing Nick D and being like, I'm going to feel really sorry for this guy at the end of it. And I do. I really do. And so, yeah, I do feel like it was a missed opportunity for Hannah.
But I also have to applaud her for sticking to who she is. And she doubled down. Yeah.
Yeah. But honestly, that makes me really upset because even if Nick said those things, does that justify or make it any better to belittle a person like that over and over and over again on national television? I don't think so. I think that like you trying to dig up this one thing that justifies your behavior doesn't solve anything.
And if a girl did it to a guy or a guy did it to a girl, vice versa, it would be way, I feel like it'd be taken way worse.
Yeah, you look beautiful. People are dying to see your fun side. And there is a lot of opportunities to come. Just take the roses and leave the thorns.
I don't know.
At the end of the day, thinking about the reunion, it is something that if I had to face a tumultuous ex after this really big thing that we did in a very public way, like in the Internet's way, thousands and millions of people are weighing in on your relationship and who you are.
Like, I can't throw stones from a glass house like it's it's fucking tough to go up there and you work that up in your mind for a year.
and get up there and you're like this is my 10 minutes and like the last biggest platform i'll have to like speak my truth like that's a tough thing to balance too but i do i do agree that like trying to throw more hate at nick was not gonna i don't think it's gonna make you hopefully not feel better but we weren't there like we weren't there in all their conversations stuff hannah's obviously frustrated about the relationship and so i will give her credit like i i don't know what she was going through maybe he was saying things but he wasn't doing i don't know i genuinely don't and i'm trusting that my thing is
Being told to kill yourself over and over again by thousands of people and that you're just like a piece of shit human that deserves to like not be here anymore is like, it's nothing that we want for any person in our life.
That's exactly what I said to her that night. I was like, I'm really sorry that this terrible thing happened to you with cameras in your face, but he doesn't get to take any more moments away from you. I don't think they met their parents at that point. You're not trying on your mom's not seeing you in a wedding dress.
Like I know it's shitty and I can't tell you how to feel, but I can say from a third party perspective, thank God you found out now, like until later. And I think Monica really, truly believe that. And like, she's, in a great and like super happy relationship and has very much moved on.
I was so type A about going into this. You hear so many horror stories about people on reality television and hearing stuff that I think I overdid it or I made a ton of boundaries about certain things because we got married. It's different than if I just went on something and then I'm just worrying about myself. My mental health and how I'm doing affects our relationship.
That's what fucking scared me to death going into this is like,
god forbid go on reddit you don't read articles about yourself like ignorance is bliss in this environment in this industry is that kind of the way that y'all approached it or that was my goal like i i agreed to not read comments go on reddit and like read dm like i would only like i put on filters so people can't send me certain things certain messages with certain words and that's been great
and people a lot of it's like the people the friends that like will send you things like oh my god did you hear yeah the cousins yeah and you have to like correct them a little bit and it's like i know you're trying to look out for me but like please don't bring me negative things like i didn't even know that was a thing so thanks and i'm a little different like i'm lucky that it's been relatively positive unless i've been completely just like delusional and all my filters i've seen the comments i've seen the comments but like i feel she's getting a lot of love
I feel terrible for Garrett where it's like, you know, my husband's coming home and he's really just destroyed. Like someone, the first time that you told me that someone told you to kill yourself, like broke my heart. It's hard.
Which is so wild because like, I've never even left a comment on someone's thing that I don't know, except if it was like tag three friends or free bikini.
You need that reminder.
But I do think that that's something a lot of couples deal with. I know Love is Blind tries to have people in the same city and kind of avoid... not regionally having difficulties. Cause I think that's what happens on a lot of like for bachelor people that they're not in the same city. And then you transition into this big relationship really quickly.
We're a month in. We're getting used to it. We're going to, at some point, not really.
I'm sure the same people that are throwing me a bunch of love are the same people that are making you feel terrible. And that doesn't, I've been fucking flabbergasted that this has been such a positive experience for me, but like, just wait. Um,
I don't know when, but everyone has a day.
Like that's tough, but a lot of people aren't from the same place. So what does it look like to raise a family somewhere? Like we don't know, but even though it was really hard for Garrett to tell me he had to be honest so that we could figure out what a compromise looked like and how to move forward together.
I guess not questions, but just like being in a relationship with someone that doesn't make you feel secure is pretty much impossible when you're in the same city. But like, I mean, at least for me, prior to meeting Garrett, like it was always an issue for me of like dating in D.C.,
Obviously, and I would connect with people in different cities and doing long distance unless you are 110% and have a plan for where you guys are going to end up in the same place. All the other details of whatever you fight about or when conflict arises, it's going to be really tough to resolve.
And so unless you feel like he's giving you clarity and prioritizing you and making you feel secure and you're reciprocating that too and making him feel like a priority and making him feel secure and you're putting the time in.
It'd be great for the podcast.
And you're not crazy for wanting that serious conversation and clarity. And it's not crazy to ask for him for a weekend of time to like get on the same, like feel like you guys are kind of back before you guys had your fight. I think it's all very valid.
yeah you know across the board too for us we obviously had to what we did was crazy like for sure like but like I've seen with a lot of my girlfriends and like their husbands or serious boyfriends like Cutting into time with the boys or like fishing trips or things that like you did as a single person, spearfishing trips like it. It's this is this is very normal.
Like these are these are obstacles that a lot of couples have to, you know, get into a compromise point. And it looks it looks different for every couple. And we had to recalibrate that, too. So it's not it's not a really weird conversation to have. It's kind of just a milestone for sure.
It was tough. Like you only kind of see me talk about it in like a 15 minute kind of short and sweet
thing but it was it was weeks of really difficult hard conversations with not just like my husband but with my parents with my good friends and there's lots of sleepless nights and tears and it wasn't easy um I'm also luckily have a found a fantastic therapist that I've been working with for the past six months and I think you can really decide at a certain point when you get married
It went on for like, I don't know how long you guys saw it for, but it was like 90 minutes.
We got like maybe five minutes.
I mean, they're through the experiment. We're really good friends. Like there's only one other couple in the world that knows exactly what you went through because like every season is obviously different. And I think they're both really incredible, great people. And so I know that a marriage in the way that we did that we did it is not. It's not easy. It's really quick and hard and fast.
Is it for me or is this about a we? It's really hard to describe. And you guys probably know this becoming a unit and just deciding that whatever gets thrown your way, you're going to figure it out together. And if you want to get through it together. And so. I think going from being super single, like going on to love is fine to like the complete opposite.
And in terms of all the other details of what's going on, I actually haven't watched any of the baby mama videos, the ex-wife videos. I haven't read anything. People have only come up to me because... I'm friends with Ashley in real life. And she can tell me how she feels about it. And quite honestly, I do think that Tyler only owes an explanation to Ashley and his family.
I don't think anyone else needs to know. So for me, I don't actually know all the details. I haven't talked to Ashley directly about it yet. So it's
Yeah. I know that Ashley is a very intelligent, very thorough person. And she's had her like shovel out digging from day one. Like I have a hundred percent confidence in that.
between two coasts it's been definitely an adjustment but living together like you're my you're my best friend it's been actually really fun like laughing most of the time when we're not working and cooking dinner at home and I learned how to fish traveling anything else
Like there is some whiplash associated with it. Like I know I gave you my non-negotiables like going through it and it really hurt when you were honest with me, but I would way rather you have been honest with me than like,
Yeah. This too shall pass.
Um, well, I'm going to follow him back on Instagram and probably like some time off, like a vacation. It's been kind of a whirlwind. Oh my gosh, yeah. But like life-wise, we're planning to move to DC, ironically. Yeah, yeah.
He's way more of the fashionista than I am.
Please lean into your OOTDs, you know?
let's say like in three years you freak out and like you've been holding this in and we never really got the chance to figure it out together because like not to I mean not to be like super deep but like you can't predict what happens with life you just want to find a partner that you like figure it out with and that's kind of what
Yeah, those are my vows.
Mine is ChineseDiscoBaby is my Instagram. Naturally.
I know. I have to grieve.
Chinese Disco Baby is just because it's hilarious to me. I can see how I should probably change it for searchability purposes.
But can't you just like do my full name and then it comes up.
After I grieved it and, like, figured it out with you and had a lot of difficult conversations and feelings, like, I think we got to the other side and, like, we're still definitely figuring it out. Sure.
feel or should feel about their partner is like wherever you are in the world like this is your home this is your safe place was that a hard thing to tell your parents or had you talked to them about it before it wasn't a hard thing to tell them like I obviously clearly love my parents so much and they're amazing people like you can I think that comes I mean I hope it comes to the screen to you guys but they've always been the kind of parents are like when I studied abroad I
They're like, maybe you should live here. We'll come visit. Like, you should go do this thing. You should try this thing. And, like, wherever you are, like, there's no guilt. We want you to be your own person. And, like, obviously they have, like, you know, Fong especially. Like, she's so excited to be a grandma someday. And she even told... She told me this when we were like dating.
She's like, well, if you have kids in Fredericksburg, I'm agreeing to come there once a month. I was like, no one made you like.
i think we're excited to do a second wedding at some point like it it's a lot to plan a wedding so and like my my parents are really excited like a wedding can be you guys probably know this like it's for the family too in some ways i know it's it differs for people but um he's he's probably going to spend some money at some point yeah planning though like i just want to touch on this dc thing one more time like
That is crazy.
A little under a year. November 13th is our one year.
Well, I wore like a mustache everywhere I went. I liked that though.
He wanted to keep that.
Well, his hair, obviously.
Isn't that what Tim called you? A middle class?
everyone would have no she didn't she just said she said the walmart yeah no that's she said that's a good cover fire yeah and for the record we filmed before that season came out so we didn't even know there is no like don't talk about i yeah taylor was running around the pods corner no i'm just kidding
Yeah.
Am I wrong? Did he get the Cs wrong?
Isn't it color cut clarity?
I don't think it's carat.
Like a kiss? Sorry. A kiss? I'm not... A kiss?
Yeah.
Still just love the.
Of course, Mary's like, why didn't they take their underwear? It definitely wasn't skinny dipping. It was like free boobies. I thought the same thing.
Maybe his kids.
Right? Yeah. So they should go 3-3-3, 3-3-3-1. 3-3-1. 3-3-1. Like the finale. 3-3-3-1. Yeah, 3-3-3-1. Math.
He's like, all right.
You know, if all of a sudden some drama came up and like my parents wanted to like work it out with me and I could understand if they were like, can we just like talk to you and not the person we feel has like created a divide between our relationship.
They had one.
No.
I mean, her family seems a bit high. I mean, their wedding was a bit dramatic. Her dad, a billionaire, got into it with some wedding vendors, which I guess now that I've tried planning. You also. I do. I actually know I stand corrected.
He was super kind when I asked him for a selfie.
Well, good news. Let's get a round of applause for Clayton Eckhart. The man finally got some justice.
For those of you who have been living under a rock and not following his story, the bachelor with the worst luck in the world, his luck has finally seemed to change a little bit after going through years of speculation is like, is he the father from a person who turns out she was like a real life gone girl person who had like a history of allegedly duping men into thinking, uh,
she was with their child regardless if they were actually had intercourse or not and she went public with this made his life a living hell she has this person has now been charged uh with like several counts we don't need to know their names here but can we can we go through the list of accounts that this person has been charged with yes the fact that this has not made mainstream media
No, it's actually kind of fucked. When we had Clayton on the show and he like went through the whole story, the mainstream media covered when the accusations against Clayton. And then when we had that episode with him and he like went through it, there wasn't a single mainstream media outlet that covered that episode.
But not Clayton clearing his name. They didn't want to cover that.
Just out of curiosity, Leah, what mainstream coverage has covered this story as of today? Like when Clayton announced that this person has been charged, has anyone covered it?
I don't know. It's honestly, it's like, I'm not a big conspiracy theorist, but that is conspiratorial. No one wants to like clear his name.
Fucking crazy. Anyway, it's very happy for Clayton.
I don't I mean I don't know this person's been charged with several counts yeah he did say in his Instagram video like it's finally over and I was like baby it's just about to begin yeah well I think for him he's just like again like it's obviously very personal for him I think he's had a hard time getting like national pickup to his frustration anything that's
come out against him, national media picks it up. Mainstream media picks it up. It's like, oh, anyone gonna talk shit on Clayton? Let's pick it up. Anyone wants to clear Clayton's name, they're all like crickets. Yeah, everybody wants a villain. I think he just feels very vindicated that now that law enforcement has said, no, there's a real potential crime going on here. It's just like another...
Another bit of evidence to say, no, for anyone who didn't believe me before, like this person's being charged with fraud. It's really quite disturbing that no one wants it. People, Us Weekly, E! News do better. Page Six, TMZ, whenever you're whenever you want to just, you know, cover it. We're ready.
That's because Garcelle won't talk to her.
No, it seems like she is potentially the problem. But I think it's because Garcelle has set a boundary of, I thought you were my friend. You didn't show up for me. I'm tired of this behavior. And I am no longer interested in keeping this friendship alive. And Sutton seems to be very much Team Kyle these days.
I mean, when that came out, I mean, like the rumors in Bravo world and all the bloggers, it's I don't even know why we even spend time.
it's exhausting yeah you know considering all the like the ridiculous rumors speaking of which like the one that like meredith was allegedly fired from the real housewives of salt lake city which she has put out that she never was and she won't be which is a pretty easy rumor to debunk because like i'm assuming she's going to be on the season and then we'll know there won't be like any like oh she's fired there won't be any like kendra moore you know like oh not on the show anymore
Well, I've watched every single one of her singing videos, so if she's singing, I would think that the algorithm would say, excuse me, your favorite thing on the internet is happening again.
I wanted Jennifer Tilly and Kathy Hilton just to like, just move on over to Denise Richards' show because that's like a comedy. It's lighter. You know, Kathy and Jennifer, like, I mean, they're like good comedic relief, but they're not really, Jennifer doesn't give any drama. She's like afraid of drama. She's like, I'm too rich to bother, which I totally respect.
But she seems a bit miscast.
Same. Well, finally, Love Island USA has announced the premiere of season seven. Premieres June 3rd on Peacock. Super excited about that. Also announcing their premiere, Bachelor in Paradise returns July 7th. That's ballsy of Bachelor in Paradise because, I mean, again, this is an alleged reboot. We now have Hannah Brown part of the hosting group. They have a new location, a new showrunner.
Who knows? Maybe we'll get a whole new show. But they I mean, listen, it's a very similar format to Love Island in terms of like love competition show with an ensemble cast of characters. But just like following the debauchery of Love Island just makes historically Bachelor in Paradise seem really boring. It truly does. So they are going to premiere their new reboot show five weeks in.
to Love Island, and I gotta say, they better show up. The risk is you spent five weeks watching the Premier League, NBA, NFL, whatever your favorite sport is, and then you tune in to high school sports.
These characters better show up. Tough act to follow, as they say, but we will be following it nonetheless, either enjoying it or saying do better. So... We'll see. All right. The Valley. Well, The Valley opens up with Jesse showing appreciation for his daughter paying attention to fashion because he has these fashion slippers while wearing flip-flops the entire episode.
Well, for any listeners that have been with us since the beginning, we'll remember Sugar Lynn. I did have to fire her from the, just kidding.
How can you claim to have a fashion-forward mindset while wearing flip-flops?
Do we have a picture of that shot? Can we bring it up, please? For the people who haven't watched it, I just like... I mean, keep in mind, this is a man who seems to highly curate every moment. Yeah. Jesse is the most... I want to be careful how I say this. The most self-aware person in the sense that he knows... You can tell he knows he's being filmed.
With other reality TV stars, they seem like they're just like, we are watching them, but they don't know that we're watching them. Mm-hmm. And Jesse always gives, I know you're watching me.
And so it's so shocking that he chose to wear the XXXL underwear that clearly didn't fit him on camera.
You got deported. I did.
It's true.
Maybe he's a genius because I will say he's the person I talk about the most on this show. He's the person I enjoy on my TV. Oh my gosh.
Not really. That's the thing. Because, like, when you put on, you know, I'm not, I'm way over my skinny era jean. I don't know if Jessie is, but if you wear underwear, like, in the skinny jean era, you had to have pretty, like, tight underwear because otherwise you're getting a bunch of bunching, you know, a lot of... Uh-huh.
Not fun, but like that underwear is going to bunch regardless of how baggy his pants are. So really quite uncomfortable.
Also, like how did he he ran into the house in those flip flops, by the way. And the next thing you know, he's naked.
Like his grandma made them for him. It's like in a family heirloom.
What is going on?
You know, he's in great shape. He takes care of the bod.
He's like, oh, I'm being filmed. I'm just going to go unzip the top.
Is this account called Blocked by Jax? For those of you asking, it's not me because I am also blocked by Jax.
But every time I paused it, when you pause it, the lower third box comes up and it was covering the text.
You lucky bastard.
Is there a producer hanging out with Jax in this mental health facility? Because like, how is it possible that they're on this trip filming? And then wouldn't you know it right when they're in the middle of like.
I will say that moment where Jax talked about needing to get better, and it was sad. And there was a moment where I felt just the tiniest amount of empathy for him. But it's heartbreaking because you just know he doesn't mean it. I know.
What was that insane thing that Janet said when she talked with Zach? I'm definitely the bigger person.
I don't know if that was that the exact quote. That's an insane thing to say.
No, but...
I feel like she... Well, she's one of the few...
normal ones yeah you know why because she deals with three babies at once she can handle all of them drunk yeah it's the same thing i've never seen someone sit down on a couch as graceful as she did she is like a pageant star did you notice that she like sat down and kind of like opened up her dress oh very flawlessly like a flower it was right it was quite nice
I don't know if she said I'm the bigger... But she definitely gave her credit for what she thought was being the bigger person. And that's such a weird thing to acknowledge yourself. If you have to point out that you're being the bigger person, are you though?
For showing up. Simply just showing up.
I will say, I don't know if it's a Bravo thing, but the way, I mean, every Bravo show that has an ensemble cast of men, they look out for each other way more than they look out for any of their women friends or spouses. They can never be next. I just like I want to be on one of these shows so bad just to be like you guys are fucking losers.
Like the way you just like you're just fucking like the bro code into your 40s is kind of fucking lame. It's just so pathetic. It's just like have a fucking like backbone. And, like, you don't need to be one of the guys into your 30s, especially when they're, like, wearing underwear like that.
Then that's a terrible therapist. I'm sorry. Shouldn't be working at a mental facility. He's not that sophisticated. And you can see right through his bullshit.
Yes, of course.
Also, like, just keeping in mind, this is a mental health facility that is allowing Jax Taylor to still, like, make content for a reality TV show. Like, how serious can it be?
I have a hard time believing that a mental health facility worth its salt would allow any of its patients to continue to film content for a toxic reality TV show.
Yes, of course. She is now officially our babysitter.
And this is her boyfriend?
yeah genuinely no that's why i said i supported janet when she's looking at him going i'd cheat on you too because you fucking suck yeah it's just like he just he just thinks that he's gonna garner it as sympathy by like yeah like you were a bad husband and not condoning that type of behavior but it's just no one feels sorry for you because you you come across like an emotionally abusive spouse like i don't know if he is you know but that's
the character he seems to be playing on a reality TV show, one where he seems incredibly self-aware that he's being filmed.
And I will say, Jesse is the cast member on the value that I'm probably most interested in getting on the couch. And Jesse, if you are listening, if your team is listening, I just want you to know, if you are willing to come on and have a conversation with us, we will. We'll wipe the slate clean. We will assume and we'll go into that interview open to the possibility that
that you've had the worst edit in reality TV history, that you are a victim of the edit. And I want to clean the slate and start over knowing that I've never met you in person. And then I want to get to know you and judge from that moment forward.
And that's my promise to you, Jesse, is I just want to get to know the real you outside of reality TV and see why you come across the way you do on this show.
I know. I just want to make that very clear with him.
Any one of the healthiest mind and body would know not to wear those panties.
Well, Jessie, if you're out there, you have an open invite. We hope to have that opportunity to get to know you.
Babysitter is not PC for 2021. Stop it.
I love them.
There is nothing better. It really makes you feel like you're living the American dream when you're having dinner outside with your family on a table.
Yeah, a table you built. Feels good. Put together, at least.
And if you don't want to eat outside, it's fine. They have something for every room in the house. We actually helped furnish the studio with the help of Wayfair, these nice side tables.
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Any song. What song do you like to sing the most?
What's different?
Oh, wow. Cool. That's pretty cool.
Do you like the... real life version or the animated version better?
It was a great question, because honestly, I felt like they were a little hard on the Beast, because he was so young. Yeah.
But they said after some years had passed. So when he opened the door to the witch, he was probably 12. He had to be young.
I know less about Shrek than some of the other ones I've seen.
What did she do to deserve it?
Well, Abby and David, welcome to the show.
We're excited to have you. How do you feel about being here?
Me too. Do you guys ever get nervous when you guys do these types of appearances? Have you gotten pretty used to it?
Do you have fun doing them?
I'm less than 48 hours into this case. What have you gathered? I'm generally being aware of it.
Okay. And then what changed?
What was different about Zoom calls versus like talking like we're talking right now?
Did you like that experience better or did you find it more challenging to talk with people?
Do you enjoy doing this together with David? Do you feel like you guys are helping each other out when you guys are talking and doing these interviews?
What's your favorite thing about how you guys help each other out?
That's true. Emily Baker did make me aware of it long ago when I was like, we were talking about her coming back and she was just deep into Karen Reed. And then Natalie told me about it. And I was like, this is Karen Reed. And then she's like, I think she's innocent. And I'm like, what? And then she told me about it. Once I heard about the Google of how long does it take a body to die in the cold?
And when you say everyday game, that means there's something you just like to play every day?
And what does that do for you, David? How does that help you?
Yeah, how does it make you feel when you get to play that game?
We just had our first wedding anniversary. You did?
April 27th, 2024.
Yeah. You know, it's our first anniversary. So we weren't like sure what we should do or how to celebrate it. You know, it's like we were like, do we want to do something extravagant and big, like go to the 30th anniversary of the Lion King? Yes. Or did we want to just like do something relaxing and normal and hang out with our daughter?
Like, you know, it's like, did you which anniversary was more fun for you going to the Cheesecake Factory or the 30th anniversary of the Lion King?
I'd say both.
I was like, and then I heard Boston police force. And after watching the departed, I was like, these are all just crooked, crooked fucks. But there's so much like, yeah, there's so much reasonable doubt and there's so much shadiness. What did you talk about yesterday? The SIM card cracking?
Are you, do you remember, are you really good with dates? You seem like you're really good with dates, dude.
oh that's right we do do y'all like challenge each other like trivia kind of on dates of things like when was lady and the tramp first the first lady in the tramp out 1955 i know that's correct because we watched it yesterday for the first time in a while with our daughter do you i really think it holds up it really it's i have dogs at home yeah when was snow white made 1937
Do you remember that doctor? No.
It's sometimes called calamari.
So you're a pretty adventurous eater. I do eat some animals. Is there anything you won't try?
Abby, I'm curious, and David too, what advantages do you feel like you have as a neurodivergent person that neurotypical people might not have? Do you think in ways that you have things like talents or skills that you're grateful for that a neurotypical person doesn't have?
Is that to you or is that for anyone else? Is that like, is that how you interpret it?
Okay.
Yeah.
Yes.
And tell me about your talents, Abby.
And how do you use that skill in life?
What do you put in David's bucket that's bad?
Are there things that you, what do you worry about?
Do you spend a lot of time thinking about that?
And then that helped you communicate better.
Is that why you're such a fan of Disney?
Does Disney help you relate to neurotypical people better?
How do I choose to go on to next? I don't know. Who do you think wears the pants in the relationship? Who's more in charge?
Would you agree with that, David? Yes. I think so. That's a smart answer.
Yeah. Why does that make you feel good, Abby? What part of it feels good?
Do you feel like now as an adult woman, do you feel like your dreams have come true?
What dreams do you have that haven't come true yet?
You don't even have to go to outer space. You just, actually, you just go on a plane. I bet we can make this happen for you. Am I really going to go to space?
So what this is, Abby, if I can explain.
No. You float, though. So it's like a trick, almost, in a way.
I have not. No.
But second best, would you want to be able to float for a few seconds?
I don't even know if she did float, but she did go to space.
There's this plane, it's called Zero Gravity, and it goes up and down and up and down. And I believe when it goes down, it allows people on the plane to float like they're in space. I actually have a picture of it, but I'm kissing another girl and my wife would get really mad at me if I showed it to you.
Maybe we can get you guys to float. Like, feel, like, feel.
Abby, how does it feel to overcome a fear?
Why do you say a blessing in disguise?
What's your favorite? Yeah.
And then what happened?
What's your favorite swim stroke? Do you like the freestyle or do you swim on your back?
Okay.
What is the thing about you that you were afraid to tell people about yourself or show people about yourself that you've got more confident now?
Why was that?
Can you sing it?
Are there things that you notice neurotypical people do that you find to be very silly and you don't understand?
You don't know. Okay.
What are you doing there, Abby?
Do you like to fidget? I fidget all the time. I'm fidgeting. I love to fidget.
Yeah, I have to squeeze it. He has to squeeze it.
It keeps me calm.
What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another electric episode of The Vile Files. I am your host, Nick, and boy, do we have a jam-packed episode for you today. Later on this episode, we have the stars of Netflix's Love on the Spectrum, Abby and David, the charming couple from that show. We get to know them. Lovely couple. Excited for you guys to hear that.
I get excited. You're so brave. You can tell you're very confident and very good at it, and that's very cool.
Wow. You know how important that is? That Greek theater is very famous. It is. It's iconic. They do not let most people do that. They don't? No. They would never let me do that.
Really?
You want to sing some more?
Wow. Abby, what's your favorite thing about David?
Do you know what noises she doesn't like?
Christine, a question for you. You know, we live in a time right now where there's just been a lot more awareness about autism. And I think as a result, now you've seen a lot more diagnoses about autism. Autism in general has even become politicized and things like that. As someone who's like dedicated her whole life to obviously raising your daughter, like what are your thoughts on
the heightened awareness and like what seems to be like self-diagnosing going online and things like that you know i've even gone to the neurodivergent website and i've taken some of those tests and it seems like i have certain things with my brain that seem to like i could diagnose myself yeah Do you see that as heightened awareness and like a good thing overall?
Or do you have like a different opinion about that topic?
What do you mean by internal autism?
Abby, what do you hope being on the show teaches people?
Okay.
And how is life for you today?
Yeah.
What's the thing that frustrates you the most about neurotypical people?
Okay.
So like your mom said, that's more like envy. But do people ever do anything that just kind of makes you mad or like that you think is stupid?
I have brown eyes and honestly, I never liked them.
I have brown eyes too. Our moms have blue eyes.
That's what you would do when you're mad?
So when you're mad... Okay, what else? What about happy? This is a snake.
You don't like when you're flicking them away?
Oh, yeah. You know how people don't like that?
Abby, when you do this, when was the last time you did this? Do you remember why?
Is there a feeling you have a harder time understanding than others?
Okay, what did that mean to you?
Like what emotions did she have to push away?
And then what emotions did she bring in?
Wasn't one of the people in the house also an EMT with, like, life-saving skills?
What'd you think about that?
Do you think dirty jokes are more funny than non-dirty jokes?
Why are they funny? Because it's like, what is that feeling you're feeling when you're telling a dirty joke?
You know, now he's going to make me say that.
Now he's going to make me say that now to her.
It was so great to get to know you guys.
Thank you, Abby and David. So much fun. Well, aren't they the sweetest?
When I took from that show, and I would appreciate so much about the entire cast of Love on the Spectrum, they're such a great example of how we should operate in our interpersonal relationships because they really seem happy.
Next up, we have the host of the new hit show on Netflix, Battle Camp. We recently had George Ahasarati on one of the stars of Battle Camp. Taylor, I've been a fan of his for a while now. He has a hit podcast as well, Bustin' with the Boys. He's a former NFL superstar, very good at his craft back in the day. Also incredibly funny. It was great getting to know him.
He tells a very heartwarming story about how he met his wife. I thought he gave just like really great sound advice about just being a
husband a father i think jesse could like take a note or two from taylor lawan yes if jesse was listening to our recap of the valley i hope he is staying tuned yes stay jesse if you are listening or if your team's listening stay tuned you know stick around for taylor lawan it's he really charming guy really funny uh you will all enjoy his story about just like talking about his wife meeting his wife being a father and obviously his experience as a host on battle camp and that is up next
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I don't know if you remember, I hit you up a couple years back, and I was like, when I first started the show, and I was talking to my friend Rachel Lindsay, and I was always looking for random people who I thought were funny, good on camera, and watch a little reality TV, and for whatever reason, she's like, you got to look up this guy named Taylor. He used to play for the Titans in the 90s.
I hit you up and you kindly wrote back. And then like, we just never reconnected, but it's good to find. I felt like full circle.
I will say that one. Yeah, it does seem a bit suspicious, but like it was a blizzard and like maybe they were just doing the best they could. That is the least suspicious of all the suspicious things that Natalie just mentioned.
Hey, listen, it was nine. You sound like a guy like talking about his age on a dating app.
That's rare in the NFL.
And then like, how did you transition? Like you have Bustin' with the Boys, a very popular podcast. Obviously you guys talk a lot about football, but I feel like you guys kind of get into like just kind of life and outside, but like you seem to have like a natural knack and obviously you're hosting Battle Camp for Netflix, but like you seem to have like a natural knack for entertainment.
Did you, you know, a lot of like trajectory for like football players who have that skillset that you have, they end up like
covering football working for espn or working for one of the networks and things like that how did you end up doing what you're doing where you find yourself hosting a reality tv show like battle camp yeah that is so that's a lot that's a big question because there's there's so much there to unpack dude so the way the first off the way boston started
How did she back into him in the first place?
My audience loves shit like this.
So he got out of the car and just walked behind the car for no reason? Like, why would he do that?
We just celebrated our first anniversary. Congratulations.
There it is. Absolutely. Any like keep the spark alive tips? Buddy, no.
That's a great story. Thanks for sharing that. Like you know, I came from reality TV and Bachelor World. And the haters can be pretty brutal online. But as a diehard sports fan, I'm fully aware of just how fucking toxic. And you mentioned earlier Twitter and things like that. We have a friend who... Dated a football player.
Yeah, I'll tell you after. And I was just trying to explain to her just like the stakes. And I'm just like, I mean, I'm like, you got all these dads or fans like betting and shit. They got thousands of dollars riding on these games. And they're taking their anger out on these fucking players. And I'm like, did you...
It's one thing, and I got it bad as a reality TV star, but did you get any heads up as you got into the league with social media and how to deal with that type of interaction? How did you... Because you never... I hear it all the time. It's always a conversation with my peers in the reality TV space on how to deal with trolls and things like that.
But honestly, as a sports fan, I never really hear players talk about it all that much, or I don't really hear...
uh teams or coaches like talking about the impact like social media which has like taken off for the past five or ten years like just how much that can fuck up a player's mindset and psyche did you deal with that and how did you deal with that if if that was the case and have you seen other players like crumble under that pressure yes to all that like it's
Tell the audience.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So how did you end up as the host of Battle Camp? Did you have, I mean, did you have a strong interest in reality TV as a fan and watched it and started commenting on it? How did that come to be?
I hate it. I thought my whole life I just had this, well, it is a problem. I'm dyslexic. But I had no idea until my 30s. And I was like, Like, why can't I fucking read out loud?
They say dyslexic people are, you know, have special skills in other areas and maybe, I don't know what those are, but you know.
Who did you enjoy on Battle Camp the most getting to know in terms of, it pulled from all different, like obviously Netflix shows, like Squid Game and like Too Hot to Handle and things like that. But who were you, not maybe most impressed by, but who did you feel like really stood out and you enjoyed getting to know?
What's the most interesting about that is the timeline because they talk about, again, like you said before, they were looking for material and it was like a long period of time. Like let's say like an hour, two hours are looking for stuff, didn't find anything. Then they came back out, we're looking for more stuff.
And then all of a sudden in like a 15 to 20 minute span is when they found all these items of glass and like debris from allegedly her car, which is like, wait, so like you magically found it all at once in a short period of time while you've been looking for objects?
I love your story about Tony because it just reminds me of why I think fans and why we love reality TV is because... you don't necessarily have to be the same type of person or even like, like want to be their friend, but reality gives you the opportunity to like see people who are unafraid to just be themselves, you know, and for better or worse.
And I think whoever you are, we really like just human beings really respect people who are able to do that because so few of us can, like so, so many of us are chameleons and whatever room we go into and are so afraid of like being welcomed. And you see people who are just like, wow, that's really who you are, man.
You're drawn to that type of authenticity and I think the best reality TV characters are the ones who kind of can do that, especially if they're on different shows, they show up and they're consistently weird maybe, but they're consistent.
That's a great story.
It's because there's so many hosts out there that really are reading prompters. You know, they're just there. And then like, I come from bachelor world and like, you know, love Jesse as a person. He's a great guy. And Chris before him, you know, enjoyed his company too. But it was like, you'd have these chats and they would give you advice. And then it was basically like, That sucks, man.
Well, good luck. Get in there. You're like, what the fuck?
Yeah, she truly has like dedicated her life to her daughter. And she has a lot of fascinating insight into the autistic community. Wonderful interview. Excited for you guys to hear it. Also, we have the host of the new hit show on Netflix, Battle Camp, Taylor LeJuan, formerly of the NFL. Also very excited.
Wow. Last question before we let you go. It's a little bit of a pivot and slightly, I guess maybe a heavier question. I don't know. But hearing you talk about meeting your wife and it kind of dawned on me and you have two daughters and we have a daughter. I just love the way you talk. I mean, you seem like a really good role model to young men.
And I feel like we're living in a time where I feel like there's just a lot of, I think like young men don't have a lot of positive male role models. Yeah.
and as a as a father of two daughters a i wonder if you do you ever worry about like the type of men might be available for your daughters to date and two like do you ever like look think about like leaning into that space because i love this that you say and i think there's just like a need for like positive male role models in the world today and is that something that like is it of interest of yours you i i think there's something inauthentic about somebody like
What are we doing here? And Alan Jackson is who? Not the country music star. Is Karen Reid's lawyer. Yes, he is Karen Reid's lawyer.
you know i was uh yeah my my time on reality tv started as like being the most hated guy on tv and honestly like i was pretty grateful relative to my peers because i was like i was like oh i have nowhere to go but up right i was starting from the bottom like different obviously than like like the stories you told but this is more like obviously like a controlled environment but yeah it's like what was that like for you when you were getting such negative feedback
Not when I started the show, for sure. My goal was to do anything but be that person. When I first went on, I liked the girl. I was like, oh, fuck. Because I definitely wasn't expecting that. I was just like, if I show up, I'm here, so I'm just going to embrace whatever this fucking is. And I'm going to lean in if I feel something, and I did.
There were a couple moments throughout filming where I was like, man, everyone's just fucking yelling at me. I don't think this is a good thing. And then, yeah, when they got done filming, I got a sense. And then the producer was like, oh, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like shit like that. And then, yeah, pretty early as this season started airing, I was like, I'm fucked. Yeah.
No, yeah, it was a week by week. So it was a slow, slow process.
But I was, you know, I went back to my like regular job at the time, went right back to work. So I was like, I was pretty grateful that they let me take leave, period. So I went right back to work. It was probably kind of stupid because my head was fucking fried.
but i was living in chicago and i was going out and hated or not online or on tv i'd walk into a bar in chicago and i was i felt like a rock star so like i was like yeah whatever it's i'm fine um it it also like yeah that also that was a good lesson for me to learn that like the internet's
He lost from the beginning. He got out? Yeah, Kevin Spacey has been cleared.
fake it's not real it's not like the real life is outside meeting people interacting with people people can say whatever they want online and they'll treat you like a rock star in person so like it was actually like a again like it wasn't fun doing it but i i learned a lot of lessons through that experience and i think some of my peers didn't and it served me well to to honestly you know i wouldn't be doing what i'm doing today and be as resilient in the space as i've ended up being if it weren't if i got that kind of red carpet treatment off the bat so it really worked out
You feel a little bit. I mean, I went back a few times, but it was like, yeah, you know, and I went back for different reasons. It wasn't because of that. But yeah, I caught myself. I was lucky that I went on TV when I was, I think I was 33 when I first went on. So I was a little older. Like if I would have gone on like at 23, I'm glad I didn't.
I, you know, you can't, like I've had conversations with some of my buddies, like we've all caught ourselves. Like when things would slow down, like walking a little slower. you know, best people because you're like, you know, at first people, you would know people would notice you and like, ah, and then like, you know, less people notice you.
And then you're like, you've caught yourself changing the speed at which you walk because you want to make sure they get a chance to see you. So they notice you and you're like, what the fuck am I doing? You know, it's like those little games. But thankfully I was able to catch myself pretty early because her mom, Beautiful woman. She's in her early 60s.
The Golden Bash, you're not sure familiar with it. You know, we're teasing the idea of maybe having her go on.
I wanted to go on that show. I was like, ooh.
But I was saying, like, just like, I'm like, if you go on, I'm going to make you get a therapist. Because like, I was telling my mother-in-law, like, it just, it fucks with your brain chemistry. Like, it's just not a normal thing to have the world, especially with the internet being what it is, to have access to like literally millions of people having an opinion about you.
And you talked about the comments of people gassing you up and gassing you up. And I've given similar advice to people who've asked because it's like, if you're going to listen to the positive bullshit that people say about you, your subconscious brain says, if you're going to listen to those strangers, you have to listen to the strangers who are going to talk shit.
And yeah, it will fuck with you.
Oh, yeah. I used to think I was a pretty good looking guy. And then I went on TV and everyone's like saying, and I'm like, fuck, I'm an ugly motherfucker. And I guess I'm a terrible fucking person.
I can't keep going. Taylor, it's been a ton of fun, man. I could talk for hours, but I appreciate your time. Congratulations on Battle Camp. It's a great show. We enjoyed watching it. Plug away. I know you mentioned Bussin. Just let the people know where they can follow you and just enjoy everything that you're doing out there.
I dare you. I dare you. Thank you for that very eloquent, very entertaining recap of a case that's been going on for a long time. I'm hooked. Eventually, we'll get Emily Baker on to debrief this case from a more legal perspective. Well, I mean, this is more from an entertainment, like color. You're the color commentator. Yes. You know, like Emily Baker is more like the play by play.
All right, we'll check it out. Appreciate you guys. Appreciate you.
Well, I hope you all enjoyed this episode. Thank you to our guests, Abby and David, Taylor LeJuan, as well as the entire cast of The Valley Shug. Welcome back. It's been great to have you. I hope to have more of you.
I love being in this little fan. Now that you are our child care support system. Our sister mom.
It sounds like, honestly, like a little- Sister wives.
Incestual. It sounds, I don't know. It is.
All right.
Well, don't forget to check out our explosive interview with Lexi Wood, the Going Deeper episode that dropped yesterday. Thank you to all our guests this week. It's been an incredible week. We have a wild week coming up next week. First of all, it's a wild week because the premiere of The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 2 drops next Thursday. In fact, all the episodes drop.
Guys, I don't think you're fully prepared for just how juicy, scandalous, and as a fan of dramatic reality TV, an amazing season. The newest member of MomTalk joins us. She was an OG member, and we have a very, very revealing episode of Going Deeper with Miranda. That is up next week on Going Deeper Plus. A huge lineup of very fascinating guests all next week. We'll see you then. Bye-bye.
She is balls deep in this case where she said she will try to come out when the prosecution, prosecution, prosecution.
But anyways, I hope this scratched that itch for all you true crimers out there who are also fans of The Vile Files. Lots to get into today. Before we get into breaking down the valley, which we all watched this morning. Yes, we did. Happy little thing that we are.
Do not forget that yesterday's Going Deeper with Lexi Wood is out now, and boy, she gave a scathing review of her relationship with Jesse. You do not want to miss that. It is, oh, boy. It was piping hot. I mean, it was... She didn't hold back. We gave her a cold brew by the time she was done talking. It was a hot coffee. It was...
come on that was cute cute yeah cold brew she also if you did not know we talk about her past relationships as well one of them being Brooklyn Beckham who is now under fire from his family and I gotta say under fire he got fired from his family Sierra can you help us out here
I mean, we just have, like, what? How old was Brooklyn when they got married? I mean, who knows? Maybe there was stuff going on behind the scenes that we didn't know about, but we had 20 some years of like a relatively like close dynamic between Brooklyn and his parents. And all of a sudden someone shows up and then things change, you know, like what's the difference, right?
One of the former hosts of the Vow Files, friend of show Sugar Lynn Beard, also starring in the new hit show, The Studio.
The new person, like, I don't know, like,
I don't know. It's just, maybe David and Victoria are narcissists.
Yeah. I was like, I knew it. And I also had to plan like a six month out breakup for it too. It was a lot of planning on that one.
And they don't live together or anything. He hasn't lived with her for like two years. But they do have, but they're not divorced. And he says it's for tax reasons. And then they also have like a house that they've bought together, like another house that they bought as a couple with another couple. So there's some entanglements there. He really likes his contracts with people.
Yeah. I feel like he felt kind of confident in saying that, which was good.
That's a good way to put it. I don't, I was, I've kind of been asking like probing questions here and there, but I just kind of like sprinkle them in because I don't want to pepper them all at once.
So essentially I want, I should ask him what he is looking for out of dating. I think that is a good question. When he's talked about his ex, she was also kind of she's just turned 40. So she was also kind of significantly younger. And sometimes it sounds like she has some similarities.
So part of me also wonders why, you know, because before they ever even get to divorce or her being with someone else, there were other deeper core issues. And so I don't know whether to probe too much into that, but that has me curious only because in some ways she just sounded similar.
me but i haven't met her or anything so i have no gauge no true gauge how does that make you feel well okay in the sense that when he talks about the real he never ever talks bad about her and i know they kind of are still in obviously since they have same friend group and stuff they i mean i think their paths still cross and things like that um i guess i
If she, if she is similar to me, I would wonder what the core reason is of them not working out in the first place. Cause he's kind of, he's pretty laid back and I am too. And then I, I, I just don't, I just wish I could understand better. Uh, I wish I would, I look forward to meeting her.
I want to know what she's like. Why? Or just ask him and get his opinion on why he thinks they ended outside of the lesbian part. Because I think there's probably a deeper issue than that.
Because I would be curious because if there are similarities, if that would be a similar, like if we would run into the same issues, basically. But I guess that might be too probing.
And I probably will.
I bring in baggage.
But I do like him a lot.
Probably like five now, five or six.
And that itself could be a long road.
I'd say like the alarm bells are probably more along the lines in maybe like life. Well, lifestyle stuff as well as age. So it's not necessarily fully like the married stuff, though. I could that would be more of a problem. I feel like down the line if they don't get a divorce or how long that takes or what that looks like. But it's more that I don't know him that well.
Yeah, I think that's a good take. I think I was trying to, and that is what I wanted to talk to you. So I was trying to figure out how basically the mindset to go into this with, whether I was overthinking it or basically what to look out for. And I think that's a really good point is giving it a couple more months to get a feel for it, but not wasting too much time if
if he's not giving any real concrete answers, he did say, like, I did, I pushed him a second time asking more clarifying questions. And he did say like, they had decided to stay married two more years. And that, so the goal was to do it within like this year or so, because it was like that first year after helped him in taxes this year helped her. And he's like, so now we can
Sure. Sure. I think what is nice about him is I've been able to communicate better with him about hard stuff. So what you're saying, I feel like is very doable. He's been much easier to talk to about hard stuff than my ex was.
So, yeah, I think that helps me at least go in with eyes a little more open and kind of knowing what questions to ask, because I really also wasn't sure what questions I can even ask myself. some things.
He owns the bar and he co-owns a bar. So he obviously kind of is in that lifestyle more or less. So I would say like sometimes just I don't know what that's going to look like with drinking and stuff.
Yeah. And getting to the bottom of that before I'm very emotionally invested is also, I think, what you're trying to say too.
Depends if it's an issue for him.
Yeah, I think sometimes when you don't want kids, it can be hard to pinpoint those goals because a lot of people are like, oh, I want to get married and have kids and build a family. One of the reasons I want to get married is so I could get a house with someone, like a mortgage with someone. I don't really want to do that outside of a marriage.
I would rather... go down, I'd rather go down the path where we're going to do every, you know, we're doing things together and then we buy a home together. Not for me personally, I can't afford one by myself. And I also don't want to just like date someone and get a house with them, but there's like no other thing tying us together. I think that's kind of crazy.
So I, all I'm saying is that when I think about like, when you say goals, I'm like, well, marriage is sure a goal, but it's hard to think of like bigger goals. And sometimes I wonder even if like, is that just a petty goal? Because I don't want kids in a family, but I don't think it is. It just, that's why it's sometimes hard to pinpoint those big relationship goals with me.
Um, I mean, he's definitely drank every time we've hung out, but he's never been drunk.
All right. I think that's pretty fair. That gives me at least some way to move forward. That's thoughtful. I was kind of I feel like I do a lot of overthinking in my last relationship. And so some of this, I was trying to just relax and enjoy the kind of dating process with him.
So it might just be like, you know, a drinker.
That's good. Yeah. That makes sense. I can, I can do that. And I have like a pretty, I feel like I've been able to be upfront with him and stuff. So I think I can continue to do that and hopefully get the answers I need.
Yeah. Thank you so much for your time. It's great to meet you.
All right. I will. All right.
Not so much now. I kind of slowed my roll a lot on that, but I will say that's because it affects my body a lot naturally.
I feel like so... Well, we're pretty much all... If we're out, we're out at an adult place. So... And every time we do that, he'll have a drink or drink, you know, but he just drinks beer. But it's just I feel like it's just steady. And so I do wonder how steady it is on a regular basis.
I just got out of like, well, not just about last summer. I got out of a five and a half year relationship. So it's been like a long time since I really dated. And I do feel like the pace is nice in the sense that it's not like a ton, but it's been a significant amount. I've spent the night at his place a couple of times, but we haven't had sex yet.
That's correct. I don't feel like he's being dishonest. I feel like he's pretty upfront when I ask him questions.
Okay. All right.
It does. It does. I guess, um, in my previous, I will say my previous partner was 49 and I was like, I don't want to go quite that much older. Um, so I really didn't intend to even really date this person. It just kind of did happen. Um, surprisingly, um, I can't pick apart age.
Well, um, I, you know, originally I didn't have any major relationship goals when I broke up with my ex, although I broke up with him last summer, I kind of hung, we had some other stuff and then we were hanging out a lot. And then I, I had originally wrote in because I was like, do I keep hanging out with him? Or do I, like, I was like, do I rekindle something with him?
uh my name is taylor i am 37 and my question is should i date a married man how married is this man not very okay um separated They are separated.
Or do I need to really just move on? And so I just ended up downloading hinge. Yeah. And I took a, I went on a couple of dates, but then I met this guy in the wild when I was out and he just kind of has surpassed all of like the people that I'm.
So I just kind of wanted to focus on one thing because I can't, I don't have the bandwidth for dating a lot of people at once or even trying to keep those conversations going.
I would like to get married.
I do not need kids. I'm not interested in kids.
I'm not interested in them. I don't want them.
You know, I did ask, and this was like on our very first date, and I guess I think I was feeling very loose because... I, uh, I was figuring we weren't going to date again, but I was like listening to his situation. I'd kind of written him off on the first date because of all of this kind of complication and then, but opted to give him in.
But I had asked him, uh, if he, I was like, well, given your situation, you probably never want to get married again. Do you? He's like, no, I would definitely get married again. So I feel like that was good. It was a quick answer.
I don't know if it's a goal. I would have to imagine. I don't know that he's thought much about goals if he's still in a marriage.
They've been separated for about two years.
No. Well, no, I just, it's very new. So I don't know necessarily that I am known either.
I mean, I would give that at least three months to, I mean, three to six months. I don't think it's that crazy to wait for that kind of information because you kind of don't really even know. I think how much you truly like someone after, you know, I think it takes a couple of months anyway to even know if those would be you know, how, how we feel about that.
My understanding is simply they, I will have to dig deeper, but currently when they separated, she decided to date women. So she is in a relationship with a woman.
I will say like one of the reasons my five and a half year relationship didn't work out is because he never got around to asking and I just needed to move on. So I definitely don't want to wait five and a half years. I definitely
Too long, yeah.
Yeah. I think that's the move. I think that's what I'll do.
Well, I appreciate. Yeah, absolutely. I appreciate the advice. And I think moving forward, I know what I'm going to do. So, okay.
Hi, my name is Taylor. I am 29, and I am calling in to see if I should try to save my 15-year friendship after my best friend blocked me.
Well, that's the tough part. I don't 100% know why, just because she didn't communicate anything to me, no text or anything. But I do have a strong assumption, which I can get into.
I went on a trip a few weeks ago with a group of girls that I went to school with in college and I lived with them. It's important to note that I did introduce her to one of them. And so over the years, I would say that they did develop a friendship, but obviously not as strong as I would have with either of them, but they are friends.
But she's not friends with the other girl that was on the trip. Obviously, They've been in the same room and they've hung out through me before, but I wouldn't classify them as friends. But anyways, I go on this trip with my college friends and I come back and I find out that I'm blocked on everything. I tried to reach out to her over social media and I was removed from all of the platforms.
And then I tried to text her and the text did not go through. So my only assumption is it's because she felt some type of way about me going on this trip with different set of friends and she was not there or invited.
I would assume. Yes. She is a friend from high school. And so that's just like just to differentiate high school. And then this is a group that I met in college and we've done these trips before and it's never been an issue.
Um, that's another good point. Uh, she is kind of going through a hard time right now just because, uh, she's had some recent family health scares with her parents. Uh, and then she also recently, uh, got laid off from her job.
So, uh, a tough time for her. And I want to be sympathetic to that as well. It's just, um, it's a hard time for me to understand the reasoning.
That's definitely part of the reason why I'm reaching out. I'm having a hard time figuring out if I should reach out, if I should try and do that.
I feel that she simply just threw away this 15-year friendship. So why would I want to put in all this effort and time to reach out and fix it if she If I know she doesn't want to talk to me and she's willing to just throw it out off of not being invited to a trip.
The only thing is I don't even know where to even begin and to start on contacting her. Obviously I could try and figure it out as I have like family members and her boyfriend's information, but like I'm blocked on everything that she has. So it's a matter of, Me reaching out to somebody in her life or- Do you have her address?
Yeah, I was just going to say, I thought about sending her a letter as well. It just seems so intense and crazy 15 years that I have to write a letter to contact her.
It was last week, early last week.
Yeah. Yeah. The trip was two weekends ago. Okay.
The only thing holding me back is if and when I reach out, knowing who she is, I do know that she's on the more stubborn side. And so I don't think that... the conversation would go in a positive direction just because I don't see her side really of being upset. That's not your job here.
Totally. Yeah. And I don't want that either. I just feel like the conversation would come up if and when she would reach out. She would try to explain to me where she was coming from. Yeah.
I didn't invite her. And I think it's as simple as these are the girls that I went to school with and I lived with, and I just didn't think to invite her.
I don't really know. I just feel I think I'd feel bad if she really did feel left out and she doesn't have a whole lot of people in her life at this as an adult. Yeah, I think I would feel bad. I just wouldn't want it to be the case for everything that I do moving forward, if that makes sense.
That's the bottom line. And I think I was having a hard time seeing that before. Cause when it first happened, all I felt was anger and confusion and sadness. And I think as time, moves forward and it goes on, I'm starting to see the other side. Okay. And how I should be reacting.
Hey. Hey. I feel like I want to go next.
And by the way, a message to everyone in our audience, we will not stand for slut shaming at the crappies. No.
But I'll tell you this. I know that her mom and dad wish she was still with me and her grandfather and grandmother and her whole family.
Whoa, marriage bells are ringing, girl.
It's time for a Krappens commercial.
I thought this was going to be about teenagers doing drugs with euphoniums.
On another note, let me look into my bag here. Story line bag, story line bag. Well, the Austin thing.
But I'm not. I'm not.
Yeah, well.
Exactly.
Oh, how are you guys doing? Good. Yeah, we're doing really well. It's been a crazy first year. Of course. Challenges, I mean, but very joyous occasions as well. Like life's just come at us full force. But the important thing is that we are stronger than ever.
Come on, tag along. Why not? Why not? We went on a honeymoon to the Bahamas, which was amazing.
And then we just bought a house. Yes. So, thank you.
That's exciting. Very exciting.
We have things to look forward to, which is great.
Yeah. He's my best friend. Oh, God.
I can't imagine what life was like before.
The majority of me feels like it's been really easy. Again, we're just best friends and we communicate really well. And it's been so surprising. I always had in my head when I was younger that once you get married, your entire life changes. Everything's going to be different.
And now it's like my life has only gained this immense peace, you know, and like how much easier life is when you're married to a good human.
So I think it scared me for a long time. I think everyone's kind of in their head about the marriage commitment part of it. But it's just been, it's just added such a, yeah, such a level of peace to me.
Yeah.
We did take the dating portion like so seriously. And every day we were prompted with questions if you want to talk about it, obviously, as you know. And so there was a lot that wasn't shown in the show that we talked at length about. I had said in the show, too, that I've never laid this foundation for a relationship before.
And that speaks volumes because I've had some pretty big relationships before. Yeah.
us together and like that future and so it was exciting to be able to like oh like if we want to have kids like when we have kids how's that gonna look like you know that was exciting to me i i mean there were tons of fun questions right and like light-hearted and we could laugh all day but what was important to me was all to also to find a partner that i could be vulnerable with yeah
And so asking those really deep, like uncomfortable questions, borderline, like one of them was what's your biggest regret in life? So I was looking forward to opening that door with Daniel because obviously it's like fun and go lucky in the beginning. Everyone's excited to be there. But knowing that you can have like a multidimensional relationship with someone was huge. So that's good.
Yes.
Yeah, that was clear from yours. Well, and our cast list was leaked while we were still filming even. So even when we were out, like there were people coming to the filming locations trying to like ask questions. And so it's just so tiny and not a lot of like really exciting things happen there. So it was a huge... We had the Super Bowl a few years ago.
Yeah.
so everyone was really invested in it so again I felt like a lot of people knew but social media has just been the biggest thing of not being able to post each other like how cool that is that that can be a thing now I know I talk about that in the pods like social media has been an insecurity of mine in past relationships so the fact that like Daniel can post me and I can post him and we can be so proud of each other is something that I've really looked forward to I can't wait till the day I can post my man yeah
Did you have to go ringless for the last year? They allowed us to wear rings, but since the cast photos were dropped, we have not been wearing them.
And they didn't show it. But before I went into that date, I said to Meg next to me in the hallway, I have a weird feeling about this next date.
And it was Daniel. And then he proposed within like a minute. And here we are, you know.
We did. We were each other's number one since day one though, which was like obviously very apparent to us both. But we talked about it that we wanted to also honor the system and experiment and really take wholeheartedly like what Chris was telling us every morning. Keep your options open. Just because they're number ones now doesn't mean they'll be number ones for forever.
So we did keep other doors open and entertain those conversations. But it was always clear to us that we were each other's person. Yeah.
You can like see a really tiny sliver through that door. And I was looking through it and the lights like shine from behind you. And so I was like, I was in my head. I'm like, oh my gosh, he's six. He's like six, five. And then I look up and I'm like, I'm six, five. Like, wait a second.
Even if conversations started to go that way, that could lead to a physical descriptor of some sort. We were like, nope, don't answer that question. We don't want to know.
Yeah. I feel like the entire dating world now is superficial. It is. Like that's just the way it is. And, you know, people have talked about Daniel talking about his height so much. But that is a very big issue in the dating world today. A lot of women are saying that they don't want someone that's 5'8". Yeah, they don't want a short king. Short king season. Short king season.
So that is a very real concern of any single guy, I would think, right now.
You can miss out on the most incredible humans just because of these superficial little preferences that don't matter. Hair color, height.
Give the short king a chance. I don't know who needs to hear that.
Aww.
I've always dated taller than me. So I'm also guilty of thinking that height was important. It's not. I married him and it's incredible. So honestly, past Taylor, yeah, but I'm a completely different human than I was even at the beginning of the experiment a year ago.
Have you seen those memes that's like, I don't know why no one approaches me at a bar. And then it's like me at a bar. And you're like swinging your purse around your neck. That is me. So I don't think you would have come up to me.
I don't get it. Yeah. What's interesting, though, is we talked about I never dated someone younger than me, and Daniel never dated someone older than him. And I am, in fact, older than him. So on dating apps, I don't know if we ever really would have meshed because we had our ranges set at different ages, and we just never would have meshed, I don't think. How old are y'all? I'm 32.
I'm 30. Okay.
Okay. Yeah. It's two years.
Age is just a number.
Regardless, though, anyone younger than me, anytime I did try and date someone younger, I was like, this is why I don't do it.
Yeah.
Because I was just proved right every time.
So at the reveal, I was like, obviously taking in Daniel's voice and, you know, to his body and all the things, but I'm also racking my brain during that reveal of like, this man looks so familiar to me. And I get back to the hotel afterwards and I'm alone. We don't have our devices kind of spiraling. Um,
Um, at that time it wasn't uncommon that I got single guys that would follow me on Instagram and I would, it was almost like a form of dating app like social media was. It was huge for me at that time. So I had convinced myself that like, because he looked familiar and I could kind of recall things from a profile that he maybe was one of these guys that had followed me.
So anyway, I went to production's office and chatted with them. I got slight confirmation from someone with a device. So I came to this conclusion very confidently that I was right. So I went into this conversation with Daniel pretty much thinking I knew the answer. And Daniel, sweet as pie, comes in just... I know.
Watching it back... It's like, whatever you need.
It's not me. And that's not something that I've ever experienced. Like, patience. And typically in the past, I would have been gaslit. Like, you're crazy. What do you... Yeah. So anyway, looking back now, just makes me love him more. But... He came in and we chatted about it. Obviously, I looked at the followers list. Did not see his name. Did not follow me.
Still, though, I do believe I have seen his profile. I'm sure it came up on my Explore page because I can still remember this specific mutual follower that we had. And that's still a person that we both know. So... I know that that's a fact, but other than that.
Everybody knows everybody. And again, it wasn't that he followed me at some point. My only concern and why I needed to talk to him about it was that he may have known what I looked like, which just defeats the whole purpose of why we were there. Yeah. That was my only issue.
Of course, the internet's come up with a million other reasons for me having that conversation, and obviously we knew how it ended, but it was really tough to sit and take all of those opinions and harsh reactions to it when we knew what was coming in the next batch of episodes. How did you feel about that whole... I understood why...
You know, we were there to decide if we were getting married in a very short period of time. So I feel like any concern, any question that you have about anything in your relationship should be talked about. Like that's okay before you get married to ask questions to each other. And it's important. You don't want that lingering.
Ours happened to be on camera.
Yeah. I mean, Hey, okay. We're married. So, um, she loves her man. Yeah. Not too much. It's,
it's been a very frustrating week listening to all those opinions because it just couldn't be further from the truth and there's so much of the story and so much context that I wasn't able to like really explain and I talk about on the show that social media has been an insecurity for me in past relationships and again you bring those insecurities with you no matter what kind of relationship you get into you just work through them with the right person so Daniel did just that so I'm very fortunate that he's so patient and understanding
Conflict, yeah.
Yeah. Daniel's much better at laughing it off.
Yeah.
I cry a lot. We balance each other out a lot. I just have a very tender heart, and I knew our pure intentions and the wholesomeness behind it all, and it really was just...
displayed um for the world in a they just took it so different than what it was at the time so um it's been it has been difficult for me but i've used the hidden words feature immensely in the last block delete block delete yes and then i had people commenting like she's deleting stuff it's like Yes, I am. I had always heard people like yourself say, don't get lost in the comment section.
I naively thought that meant going on Reddit, looking for the comments, not that they would be sent directly or posted directly onto my personal page. I don't have a lot of control in my life, but what I do have control over is my personal social media account. I will delete and block if you're posting those disgusting things.
You're making me so excited, baby.
Now, it's like sitting here today. I'm not surprised that we are the only couple. But at the time, we were very surprised that Virginia and Devin didn't get married. But now, like, we clearly see that everyone was not supposed to be with each other for a reason, and they're not each other's people. So my answer has definitely changed on that in the last year.
We just felt, well, so Lauren and Dave ended before we were done filming.
you know we love everybody and like we were all very close yeah and so we were hoping that you know everyone's on their person but it's just not realistic and so um whatever i don't know if there are anything specific with the couples i'm close with the girls daniel's close with the guys like just based on conversations that we were all having while filming like we just kind of got a pulse on who is really going to make it there or not yeah so no shade but oh
No, the internet's going crazy saying that you guys' season is so boring. Love is bland. Honestly, that second drop, I was like, I had to fast forward through some of it.
But here's the thing, though. Like, you can't win, right? Because people say... Give us the love stories. We don't care about the drama. And then when it is love stories and they're like, this is too boring. We don't like this.
Yeah, a little bit. I do think it gets more interesting. The playlist helped though.
I don't know if no one's ever been to Minnesota, but that is what everyone looks like in Minnesota.
I do see a lot of the Midwest in our season, though, as well. Like, we are very passive in the Midwest. And watching it back, I'm like, oh, I could tell that people were just trying to, like, fill the gaps to keep things kosher.
Like, reality TV isn't really a part of a normal lifestyle in the Midwest, so I think we're all very cautious of the camera part of it just because it is so... out of left field for us.
But then when that comes out, people are going to be like, we want to love stories.
They don't want happiness.
Wake us up a little bit.
I feel like it all got aired at the reunion, too. Like, everyone really came with what they needed to address.
So...
Honestly, any secret that I would have had to shock anyone was what was discussed at the reunion. And I kind of knew that all that was coming because, again, I'm friends with the girls and Daniel's friends with the guys.
Yeah, it was heavy. I had to hold my tongue a lot. I wanted to put in my two cents. On what? Well, I mean, I spoke up about Sarah and Ben. I spoke up. I'm close with all the girls that got engaged, but I'm really close with Lauren and Sarah and I will defend them to the death. So I had obvious, there's two sides to every story, but I definitely know Sarah's side.
And it was hard for me to sit and listen to their back and forth. I had so many conversations with Sarah off camera that she was telling me
things about the relationship and things he was saying and so I spoke up he was shift blaming the he was shift blaming shifting the blame thank you um to Sarah about um kind of like leaving him high and dry after their wedding day yeah um saying her priority was never him but he asked her if they could schedule their last date around the Iowa women's basketball game like her final date before she moved to Nashville and it's like okay if we don't talk about priorities yeah
That's not it. That is very interesting. So I spoke up about that. I was nervous, though. My voice was shaking.
You were like, I have something to say. Please don't be mad at me.
Did you have any advice? Well, Lauren came to Sarah and I like off the jump when we got back to Minneapolis. She like pulled us aside and was like, this is what's going on. She explained the whole situation to us. And at the time I was like, it's not going to be a big deal. Boy, was I wrong. No.
Literally the biggest. Obviously I was disappointed that Dave was taking the opinions of others over his fiance and wasn't listening to her. Watching it back, I'm going to cry. It felt like Lauren was screaming at the top of her lungs and no one was listening to her. And as her best friend, that's like really sad to see.
So I felt like I could see that in her eyes the entire time we were filming back in Minneapolis. But man, the confidence she has now and that it's come full circle that this was all like fabricated to chase clout for this guy. Like, um, I just feel so like redeemed for, for her. Yeah. Yeah. Happy for her.
No, I just... I mentioned to him this morning that at the reunion last night, I was going to say some other things, but I never got the opportunity to. But I've had a lot of heartbreak in my life, and I think a lot of girls out there can identify with that as well. And I just... I want to tell people that...
that love that you're wondering if it's out there if it exists it does and it's real and you're gonna find it and you just have to be patient and not settle until you do because everyone deserves a Daniel yeah keep going yeah what is the biggest thing you guys would say you learned from the show
Yeah, I learned to trust myself. We don't have our devices when we're going through the pods in Honduras. You are relying solely not on the opinions of your best girlfriends. Like, look at this photo of him. Is he cute? Should I date him? You don't have those outside influences. You trust yourself and your gut wholly. And that is not something that I have always done in the past.
So to prove to myself that not only could I trust my gut, but then I got my husband out of it too. Like I'm good. Like I don't need anyone else to approve of it. I got here today because of my choices and my decisions and I have the best human next to me. So.
But I've had it for four years now. Are you going to get it refreshed? I would love to. Can I see? Not a lot of places are willing to do it.
So shout out if you want to do it.
Yeah. It was my one and only tattoo. At the time, I've gotten Daniel's handwriting on me now since we've gotten married. Wait, you have what? Daniel's handwriting tattooed on me.
What? I don't think we've told anyone that.
What does it say?
A bunch of girls from our cast, we all got tattoos together. Where is it? It's on my side, and it says eight on Daniel's handwriting. Why does it say eight?
And then they're like, can we all use Daniel's handwriting? Because they all love him. I didn't think I had that great a handwriting. Do you have any tattoos?