Taylor Lorenz

But certainly back in the late 2010s, I think that there was not a lot of diversity in that Trump sort of inner circle coalition.

And so I think that she served a very useful purpose.

Also, she's beautiful and compelling and charismatic.

Yeah, let's do it.

Even that title feels racist.

It sounds like some 85-year-old white man.

This was such an interesting time because...

Turning Point was such a different organization.

It didn't have the power it had now.

It really was this upstart thing.

I say upstart thing.

It was funded by billionaires.

Okay, this is the most astroturfed thing you've ever seen, which is funny because, you know, people think of Charlie Kirk as the founder of Turning Point.

He didn't found it alone.

He founded it with this old ass business.

you know, billionaire guy who died of COVID in 2020.

And it's then, you know, Charlie died of gun violence, the irony there.

But Turning Point was just getting started and they weren't seen as cool either.

Like this is like before the like owned lib stuff like had gone viral.

Like 2017, it was actually peak resistance.