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He did. I had to ask something about it. Um, and then they didn't quite, in fact, they kind of laughed about, we're not going to answer the questions that were asked. You know, it's a good question, and people are a little uncomfortable about it is the way I look at it. But they gave me more than I'd hoped for, and thank you, Ray and Stan, for that.

He did. I had to ask something about it. Um, and then they didn't quite, in fact, they kind of laughed about, we're not going to answer the questions that were asked. You know, it's a good question, and people are a little uncomfortable about it is the way I look at it. But they gave me more than I'd hoped for, and thank you, Ray and Stan, for that.

They also said very nice things about our podcast, which thank you for that. But on the OGL, Ray said, what started to happen was that D&D became so successful at Wizards and at Hasbro that it started to attract a lot of attention from other parts of the company. And you and I have talked about it, right? We had this time, I remember, where one of the quarterly results came out,

They also said very nice things about our podcast, which thank you for that. But on the OGL, Ray said, what started to happen was that D&D became so successful at Wizards and at Hasbro that it started to attract a lot of attention from other parts of the company. And you and I have talked about it, right? We had this time, I remember, where one of the quarterly results came out,

And Hasbro said, you know, D&D and wizards are going to teach the rest of the company how to operate.

And Hasbro said, you know, D&D and wizards are going to teach the rest of the company how to operate.

Right.

Right.

And they said, so Ray continues, one of the points of contention was the OGL and the role that it played in the overall ecosystem. And then he kind of distanced himself and says, I was not a fan of the OGL, you know, and that he was pleased with how they, what he said was reasonably quickly how they altered course.

And they said, so Ray continues, one of the points of contention was the OGL and the role that it played in the overall ecosystem. And then he kind of distanced himself and says, I was not a fan of the OGL, you know, and that he was pleased with how they, what he said was reasonably quickly how they altered course.

uh unfortunate how it rolled out but that they were able to kind of recognize this is a big misstep and let's undo it and i certainly heard that you know from my contacts it was issue one at hasbro for a while right and they were working hard to try to solve it once they realized that they had stepped in it and he says you know this is the nature of large organizations

uh unfortunate how it rolled out but that they were able to kind of recognize this is a big misstep and let's undo it and i certainly heard that you know from my contacts it was issue one at hasbro for a while right and they were working hard to try to solve it once they realized that they had stepped in it and he says you know this is the nature of large organizations

And that both D&D and Magic the Gathering are very strange businesses. Like they're not a thing you can just explain to a random executive who comes in. It's a very complicated thing. And even the people in it have trouble understanding how it works. So, yeah, it was a fantastic watch. So you can look for Stan and his YouTube channel or follow the link in our show notes. Anything else, Sean?

And that both D&D and Magic the Gathering are very strange businesses. Like they're not a thing you can just explain to a random executive who comes in. It's a very complicated thing. And even the people in it have trouble understanding how it works. So, yeah, it was a fantastic watch. So you can look for Stan and his YouTube channel or follow the link in our show notes. Anything else, Sean?

I know this is right up our alley. Yeah.

I know this is right up our alley. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, like that whole idea of, you know, hey, maybe if we only have, you know, a couple of products a year, we'll sell more. Right. And even though fifth edition started that way, we've seen fifth edition try to accelerate the number of products and it has not seemed to pay off. And at least with the data that I analyzed and we talked about this on the show.

Yeah, I mean, like that whole idea of, you know, hey, maybe if we only have, you know, a couple of products a year, we'll sell more. Right. And even though fifth edition started that way, we've seen fifth edition try to accelerate the number of products and it has not seemed to pay off. And at least with the data that I analyzed and we talked about this on the show.

But when when I broke down the numbers from BookScan with the help of our discord folks, we didn't see We saw that, yes, there was some volume increase overall, but it did seem to have that effect of each individual product is selling less. It isn't just open up the spigot, put more streams of water in, you make more volume. It's not that simple. Some of it begins to cannibalize, it seems.

But when when I broke down the numbers from BookScan with the help of our discord folks, we didn't see We saw that, yes, there was some volume increase overall, but it did seem to have that effect of each individual product is selling less. It isn't just open up the spigot, put more streams of water in, you make more volume. It's not that simple. Some of it begins to cannibalize, it seems.