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Terence Tao

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

This is a great question.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

We don't have the data to fully answer it yet.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

Certainly, a lot of work that human mathematicians do, when you take a new problem, one of the first things we do is we look at all the standard things that have worked on similar problems in the past and we try them one by one.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

And sometimes that works.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

And that's still worth publishing sometimes because the question was important.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

Sometimes they almost work and you have to add one more wrinkle to it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

And that's also interesting.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

But then, you know, the papers that go into the top journals are usually ones where you, you know, the existing methods can kind of solve, you know, 80% of the problem, but then this is 20%, which is resistant.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

And a new technique has to be invented to fill in the gaps.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

It's very, very rare now that a problem gets solved with sort of no reliance on past literature, where all the ideas come out of nowhere.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

That was more common in the past, but math is so mature now that it's just so much of a handicap to not use the literature first.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

So AI tools are really good at...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

are getting really good at the first part of that, just trying all the standard techniques on a problem, often now actually making fewer mistakes in implementing them than humans.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

They still make mistakes, but I've tested these tools on little tasks that I can do, and sometimes they pick up errors that I make, sometimes I pick up errors that they make.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

It's about a tie right now.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

But

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

yeah i i haven't yet seen them take the next step you know so so when there are holes in in in the argument where none of the things are working to to how then what do you do um and then they can kind of suggest random things and it but it it um often i find that trying to chase them down and make them work and finally they don't work it wastes more time than it saves yeah so um

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

Now, so I think some fraction of problems that we currently think are hard will fall from this method.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

I mean, especially the ones that haven't received enough attention.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

So like with the Erdos problems, almost all of the 50 problems that were solved by AIs were ones for which basically there was no literature.