Terry Gross

This is Fresh Air.

I'm Terry Gross.

President Donald Trump has said he would institute the Insurrection Act in Minneapolis if the people he describes as professional agitators and insurrectionists continue attacking the patriots of ICE.

There are now about 3,000 Department of Homeland Security agents, which includes ICE and Customs and Border Patrol, the CBP, in the Minneapolis-St.

Paul region, to search for and deport immigrants here illegally.

What does this say about President Trump and his administration?

How is this playing out in the courts?

What does it mean for the First and Fourth Amendment rights of Americans to peacefully protest and express their opinions, and for our democracy?

I have two guests who have been looking at these issues.

Emmanuel Malion is a professor at the University of Minnesota Law School.

He lives in the Twin Cities.

He writes about the roles that police and other state security actors play in producing social,

political and legal regimes of domination and subordination.

He's a former fellow at the Brennan Center for Justice, where he focused on white nationalist domestic terrorism, hate crime policy, and police access to surveillance technology and military weapons.

Elizabeth Goytin is Senior Director of Liberty and National Security at the Brennan Center for Justice.

She is an expert on presidential emergency powers, government surveillance, and government secrecy.

She's testified before Senate and House Judiciary Committees several times.

We recorded our interview yesterday morning before it was confirmed that subpoenas were issued to Minnesota Governor Tim Walz, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey, the state's Attorney General Keith Ellison, as well as the mayor of St.

Paul and the Hennepin County attorney.

The subpoenas are reportedly part of a Justice Department probe into whether state officials were conspiring to impede federal immigration law enforcement operations.