Terry Gross

Elizabeth Goytin, Emmanuel Malion, welcome to Fresh Air.

I want to start with an overview, asking each of you to just like run through a list of some of the things that President Trump and his administration are doing that you find most confounding or legally out of bounds.

So let's start with ICE and what's happening in Minnesota.

And Emmanuel, I'm going to ask you, you were born in Mexico.

And I am wondering if you've been stopped by ICE and if anyone in your family has come in direct contact with ICE.

When were you threatened with deportation?

So my understanding is that your nephew goes to the school where there was an anti-ICE protest outside of the school and ICE came to the protest and tried to break it up.

Tell us the story.

So, I mean, you're a lawyer.

You know the law.

So what advice are you giving your students and your nephew about how to stay safe?

I want to play something that the mayor of Minneapolis had to say recently about ICE in his city.

This is Jacob Fry.

So that was Mayor Jacob Fry on CNN's State of the Union speaking with Jake Tapper over the weekend on Sunday.

Liza, you had mentioned in your list of things that you find troubling right now on that list is how Trump has...

Turn the government against perceived enemies.

We just heard Mayor Jacob Fry talking up about how we never expected to see the U.S.

military used against Americans like in Minnesota.

Do you see this as an example of Trump using government against his perceived enemies?

Can you flesh that out for us?