Terry Gross

So my understanding is that your nephew goes to the school where there was an anti-ICE protest outside of the school and ICE came to the protest and tried to break it up.

Tell us the story.

So, I mean, you're a lawyer.

You know the law.

So what advice are you giving your students and your nephew about how to stay safe?

I want to play something that the mayor of Minneapolis had to say recently about ICE in his city.

This is Jacob Fry.

So that was Mayor Jacob Fry on CNN's State of the Union speaking with Jake Tapper over the weekend on Sunday.

Liza, you had mentioned in your list of things that you find troubling right now on that list is how Trump has...

Turn the government against perceived enemies.

We just heard Mayor Jacob Fry talking up about how we never expected to see the U.S.

military used against Americans like in Minnesota.

Do you see this as an example of Trump using government against his perceived enemies?

Can you flesh that out for us?

Well, if President Trump were to deploy troops in Minneapolis, presumably... And I should mention that that reference to 1,500 troops is there are 1,500 troops being readied to deploy to Minnesota.

And these troops are based in Alaska, where they have training in cold weather.

So would Donald Trump be required to invoke the Insurrection Act before sending in the military?

And some of this dates back to, like, the pre-Revolutionary War days, right, when people living in the colonies were attacked by the British military.

Absolutely.

Emmanuel, since a lot of your focus has been on policing, what are some of the differences between what police are allowed to do and what ICE is legally allowed to do?