Terry Gross

And in this, you're the owner-manager of a coffee shop.

The ladies' room has been closed for a while.

You knock on the door and find one of your employees, played by Alana Glazer, asleep on the toilet, leaning on a large bag of expensive coffee beans.

Okay.

So, point proven.

It must have been so frustrating for so many years to have like fun parts, but really tiny ones like that.

Before we get to how when you were in school, you were bullied all the time and how horrible it was.

Nice tease.

So let's get to the bullied part.

Oh, yes.

So in real life, when you were growing up, it sounds like you didn't have friends in school.

You were bullied in junior high when the bullying was at its worst, and the bathroom and the gym showers were like torture chambers for you.

Were you bullying yourself for being gay?

Were you picking on yourself, taking your cue from everybody else who was picking on you?

They really went for it.

For you, during those years when you were bullied, church was a safe place, and you were very active in it.

You went nearly every day.

There was youth group and Sunday school, after-school tutoring, handbell choir, senior choir, children's choir, where you were the teen assistant.

So it was the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America.

Describe the foundation of the church.