Teya Tofer

And yeah.

Yeah, I mean, what is then advice for an entrepreneur?

I mean, I think from a European or German perspective, we did quite well, as I already said.

And I mean, if I look back, I think we sold too early.

Or we could have raised more to a fairly good valuation at that time.

And back then in 2017, and I think we have grown much, we could have grown faster with more VC money inside.

So, but at the end, we are very happy because actually we have, on a personal note, we have put enough behind the firewall, but, and now we still have control and can do entrepreneurial work on a larger basis, which is very nice.

I mean, we have around 30% margin, so you can calculate it.

A little bit more.

Kind of.

Some goes to the investor, but now we're back on investment mode.

So last year was a little bit like testing how profitable that can be.

So now we are back in investing mode and checking out what...

possibilities we have in order to buy other companies.

And we are growing quite good.

We are now adopting, we are venturing or we are evaluating in terms of product-led growth a lot.

I think this is a very good concept for those startups.

And yeah, we do a lot of stuff in there.

At Facelift, we're around 180 plus.

We have an automated, let's say, automated agency, which are already another 70.