Theo Von

I have to agree.

It used to feel hopeful and now it feels...

Will we survive?

There's something else.

It's not a hope.

I don't even know if it's somewhat of a fear, but it's more of an uncertainty.

But America used to feel like this hopeful thing, like we're building this thing that means something that we're going to pass on to our children and that could possibly stand the test of time.

And when something like that, you believe in something like that, it makes your day-to-day...

interactions and your interaction with your country.

And it makes that all more meaningful to you.

So you show up for it differently.

We're sitting here with John Kiriakou.

Kiriakou, thank you so much for coming in.

Thank you for the invitation.

I love the show.

I've seen so many clips of you recalling stories from your time in the CIA.

Is having a good memory a requirement for the job?

Is it really?

Oh my gosh, yes.

But it wasn't a requirement when you, I guess, I don't know if you auditioned for the CIA, but how do you?