Thomas Goetz

So what did those mountains of data actually say?

Well, turns out Dr. Boulware was among those doing the hard work, away from the TV cameras.

So no effect on the RCT placebo-based trials.

But they did see something interesting when they did not use a placebo.

What's called an open label study, where you can actually see what you're taking.

Right.

It's just not the medicine.

But it's, yeah, the placebo effect.

So it's a real thing.

This is an important finding because in the real world, this is how people were taking medicines, all sorts of medicines, including ivermectin and open label.

They saw the label.

They took a dose.

and a lot of them felt better.

Here is Simone again.

This is the woman who managed supplements at the Portland grocery store.

She went to a naturopath with her husband before she got COVID.

Can you walk me through kind of what happened when you first got COVID?

I mean, I would take it again.

Now, I want to say I appreciate Simone's perspective and her willingness to share her story.

She did not have to, so I am grateful to her.