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Thomas Goetz

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
415 total appearances

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Podcast Appearances

99% Invisible
Drug Story: Ivermectin

And I think her experience shows how hard this is to figure out.

99% Invisible
Drug Story: Ivermectin

She had COVID, she took ivermectin, and she got better.

99% Invisible
Drug Story: Ivermectin

She believes ivermectin worked for her, and she has reason to.

99% Invisible
Drug Story: Ivermectin

As Dr. Boulware explained, sometimes it just works that way.

99% Invisible
Drug Story: Ivermectin

But there is a difference between experience and evidence.

99% Invisible
Drug Story: Ivermectin

And during a global crisis, it can be really difficult to let the science play out.

99% Invisible
Drug Story: Ivermectin

To me, COVID was just a heartbreaking time, not just because of the million people in the US who died of the virus or the 7 million who died worldwide.

99% Invisible
Drug Story: Ivermectin

What breaks my heart six years later is how COVID broke the trust between government and the citizens government should serve.

99% Invisible
Drug Story: Ivermectin

between science and the people science is trying to help, between public health and the public.

99% Invisible
Drug Story: Ivermectin

COVID was certainly not the only factor at work.

99% Invisible
Drug Story: Ivermectin

But man, did it do a doozy on the trust people put in each other and in our institutions.

99% Invisible
Drug Story: Ivermectin

It made it difficult for all of us to know who can we count on, who can we put our faith in.

99% Invisible
Drug Story: Ivermectin

In February 2021, Merck, that's the company that discovered ivermectin, they put out a statement saying that their scientists had reviewed all available research.

99% Invisible
Drug Story: Ivermectin

And they found that they identified, quote, no meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease.

99% Invisible
Drug Story: Ivermectin

And this was Merck.

99% Invisible
Drug Story: Ivermectin

They stood to make a lot of money if ivermectin did work.

99% Invisible
Drug Story: Ivermectin

And then in September 2021, there was a statement from the American Medical Association and the American Pharmacists Association, quote, strongly opposing the ordering, prescribing, or dispensing of ivermectin to prevent or treat COVID-19 outside of a clinical trial, unquote.

99% Invisible
Drug Story: Ivermectin

Not only did they say it wasn't helpful, but that ivermectin was demonstrated to be harmful to patients.

99% Invisible
Drug Story: Ivermectin

But for those who had already lost faith in the medical establishment, this was probably just more fuel added to the fire of distrust.

99% Invisible
Drug Story: Ivermectin

They wanted their medical freedom to do their own research and make their own choices.