Thomas Thatcher

Morgan was right about this point.

Tom Thatcher was right about this point.

It's hollow.

And so that's the thing that gets us trapped, caught, so to speak, where you are so right about something and you feel like, no, I'm not going to give up or whatever.

And that's what gets you into trouble.

One is the pain becomes so great that you can't stand it anymore.

I just didn't want to commit suicide.

I tried, and I went through the process, and thank goodness that the fear of suicide overwhelmed this, but I just said, I just don't want this anymore.

The pain is just too great.

The pain is too great.

And once you see that the pain is much greater than

than the payoff, so that your costs outweigh the payoff, that's when you're gonna make change.

Where we get into a real problem is in our comfort mode, where the payoff is about equal to the cost, or the payoff is even a little bit greater than the cost.

Then it's very hard to change.

But once that cost gets really high, you say to yourself, I just don't want to be this way.

I just don't want to be this way.

And then you go in and say, I'm going to take the step to get off it and be responsible.

And it is very difficult because, Morgan, we start in life as a baby.

And I don't know if I've had many babies that have been not cute, adorable and wonderful because we kind of start in that way of being peaceful, loving and kind and whatever.

But then this thing called life happens and hits us with all these things.