The Bobby Bones Show
TAKE THIS PERSONALLY: Stop Suffering & Take Back Your Life: A Powerful Lesson in Personal Responsibility
26 Apr 2026
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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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2%. That's the number of people who take the stairs when there is also an escalator available. I'm Michael Easter. And on my podcast, 2%, I break down the science of mental toughness, fitness, and building resilience in our strange modern world.
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On the Look Back At It podcast. 1979, that was a big moment for me. 84 was big to me. I'm Sam Jay. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a year, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. With our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite authors. Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s. 84 was a wild year. It was a wild year.
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Chapter 2: What personal experiences led Thomas Thatcher to develop the Tack Philosophy?
And I'm not saying that wasn't helpful, but the real road of where you start to get cured is when you take your personal responsibility and you say, this is up to me. When you have surrendered your power by being on the tack, you take it back by being off the tack. And then when you take it, When you're off the tack and you have the responsibility, then you have to really look at your integrity.
And so in the book, I used kind of two types of terms, if you sort of speak. One with integrity, what am I really about? What do I really value? What do I really want? And the other one is the responsibility. It's up to me. And so often, and I got caught in a situation, right? My father was a very successful businessman.
And so I did not learn the idea that I just thought, just because of being my father's son, I can be successful too or whatever. And that's not the case. You've got to be responsible for you. And you've got to understand that your happiness and your well-being and all the things that you value or want to have happen They're up to you. They're not up to other people. They're not.
They can help and they can be of good service and be keys and everything. But in the bottom line, it's up to you. So if I would say one word that was the key for me, it was responsibility, personal responsibility, saying I'm a cause in the matter and I am responsible for myself.
Yeah. And personal responsibility is hard to take on sometimes. Sometimes we don't like to acknowledge that we do have a personal responsibility to things. The relationship with your family, did you walking down this different road help you to have a better relationship with your family?
I imagine it wasn't one that was not bad, but necessarily not good either based on what you were going through and what you were experiencing. Yeah.
Right. It was difficult because then I had my mom who was, oh, my goodness, you're being mean to your sons. And this business is supposed to be for two equal sons. And my dad going, now, listen, dear, I'm going to run the business. You run the family. I love your help and support, but this is my business and I'm going to decide what's best for the business. So, yeah.
And the thing that's the problem with this, Morgan, is it just doesn't stay central. It's like kind of a oil spill in a lake. It just keeps spreading and spreading and spreading.
So not only did it hurt the relationships with my spouse and then hurt the relationship with my family, but because I had that attitude and was taking that idea that the world's done me wrong and I'm a victim and all of those types of things, then it would extend to my friendships and my outside relationships where it got to be where I then started to really blame myself and cause isolation.
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Chapter 3: How did Thomas's family dynamics contribute to his emotional suffering?
Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor IV. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.
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Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tapped Lil' Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people? I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Lil' Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back At It podcast. I'm Sam Jay. And I'm Alex English.
Each episode, we pick a year, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 was big to me, not just because of crack.
Yeah.
I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah.
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Chapter 4: What is the Tack Philosophy and how does it help in overcoming suffering?
Morgan was right about this argument. Morgan was right about this point. Tom Thatcher was right about this point. It's hollow. And so that's the thing that gets us trapped, caught, so to speak, where you are so right about something and you feel like, no, I'm not going to give up or whatever. And that's what gets you into trouble.
And having that also gets you stuck, too. So how does somebody even get themselves to the point of saying, oh, this is happening and I should do something about it? Because that's the hardest step. Honestly, once you're in motion and you're doing it, you're working through, it's a little bit easier. But the hardest step is the first one. So what ultimately got you to take that first step?
And how can that help other people take a first step if they do go down this route of TAC philosophy?
One is the pain becomes so great that you can't stand it anymore. I just didn't want to commit suicide. I tried, and I went through the process, and thank goodness that the fear of suicide overwhelmed this, but I just said, I just don't want this anymore. The pain is just too great. The pain is too great. And once you see that the pain is much greater than
than the payoff, so that your costs outweigh the payoff, that's when you're gonna make change. Where we get into a real problem is in our comfort mode, where the payoff is about equal to the cost, or the payoff is even a little bit greater than the cost. Then it's very hard to change. But once that cost gets really high, you say to yourself, I just don't want to be this way.
I just don't want to be this way. And then you go in and say, I'm going to take the step to get off it and be responsible. And it is very difficult because, Morgan, we start in life as a baby. And I don't know if I've had many babies that have been not cute, adorable and wonderful because we kind of start in that way of being peaceful, loving and kind and whatever.
But then this thing called life happens and hits us with all these things. And then we get all these layers and all these interpretations and all of this history builds up. And so we look through that little lens of how everything is for us. which kind of jades our interpretations and our attitudes.
And the whole point of life is just trying to unravel, peel that all away, and get back right to where you were at birth. And if you, at the end of the life, can get right where you are back at birth, then you've had a successful life because you've been able to manage everything that life has thrown at you, and now you can get back to where you were at the beginning.
And that's the key, is when you're off the tack, you're loving, you're at peace, and you're forgiving. And that's the keys, I think, to a happy life.
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Chapter 5: What are the steps involved in the Tack Philosophy process?
And we don't know when we've done enough. Because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross. Because you find it important to be a good person while you're here on Earth? Or are you a good person because you're afraid? Because that's two different intentions, bro. Absolutely. And that's two different levels of trust.
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Do you feel like there's a chance? So once you've gone through the tech philosophy, you were on it, now you're off of it. You are in this position now where there's freedom, there's clarity. Is there the chance that you have that same experience again? Or do you feel like there's a complete transformation that happens that you would never find yourself in that kind of suffering again?
Oh, that's the big disnomer. We think that progress is just straight up. It's up, down, up, down, up, down, up, down, up, down. But then if you were to take a highlighter on that, you see that you're gradually going up. But it doesn't mean you're not going to go up and down. And so even to this day, even without writing the book, I get on it.
But I have such a wonderful network of help and love and support and whatever that That when I'm on it, my son who helped me somewhat with the book and read the book, I'll be running my racket or something and I'll say, I don't know if you really love me or not. I came over with the kids and they didn't give me attention or you guys didn't give me attention or everything.
And he immediately goes, dad, get off it right now. So, yeah, we like to revert back to things. It's not easy. And I don't know if you're a golfer. When you try to change your swing at golf, it's great. After you change your swing, you say, great, I'm really hitting the ball a long way. This is wonderful.
But then you kind of want to revert right back to what you've been doing because it's so comfortable. So the fact, do you get better and better? Yes. When I was on the tack, it used to be a week before I got off. Now I can get off in about less than an hour. And that's the real difference. Not that you won't get back on it, but that you won't stay on it for a long period of time.
Yeah. And from what it sounds like, creating a foundation for yourself and environment for yourself where you can survive through it and push through those moments versus before it would be a spiral and you'd be back to bottom.
Exactly. Yeah, exactly.
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Chapter 6: How does personal responsibility play a role in healing and personal growth?
I am really good at getting on it, and I'm getting much, much better at getting off of it, yes.
I love it.
I guess you could call me the TAC master if I had any title.
I like the tact master. You know what? The best type of advice we can have is from people who have had lived experience. So I love that. And thank you so much, Thomas. Really, it's been great talking to you.
Thank you, Morgan. I appreciate it.
The tack philosophy is not one I've ever personally explored, but hearing it from Thomas's perspective shows us how much something like this is needed. We can all fall to victim mentality and be stuck in suffering. So if that does happen to you, I hope you found this philosophy useful and supportive.
The next series, we're diving into some difficult life experiences with two women who are brave enough to share their stories, and they're both incredibly powerful. Subscribe so you don't miss them and leave a review if you're loving this podcast. Can't wait for more with you guys next week. I'm so happy that you're here. Bye. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what y'all say.
Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor IV. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it.
Listen to The Clifford Show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok.
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