Tilda Swinton (as Martha)

I suppose, off the top of my head, because... Okay, this is actually a really important point, and maybe this makes it even work as a performer in concert in communication in conversation with my colleagues and I write alone and one of the things that keeps attaching me to performing is the comradeship of the collective activity of it and it seems to take more for me to sit and write alone

And I'm still waiting for the life to clear enough for there to be an actual sort of oasis in which I can do that. But I have been choosing. I don't want to sound like a victim of my own life, but I have been choosing to be working in conversation with other people.

And I'm still waiting for the life to clear enough for there to be an actual sort of oasis in which I can do that. But I have been choosing. I don't want to sound like a victim of my own life, but I have been choosing to be working in conversation with other people.

And I think when I hear and read what real actors talk about, they seem to talk a lot about existing alone and putting their work together by themselves. And that's, again, just not the way I work. I work entirely collectively.

And I think when I hear and read what real actors talk about, they seem to talk a lot about existing alone and putting their work together by themselves. And that's, again, just not the way I work. I work entirely collectively.

I have seen evidence of a friend of mine who has lived in a static caravan beside Loch Ness for, oh, I think pretty much 20, maybe even 20 more years, because he once saw the Loch Ness monster.

I have seen evidence of a friend of mine who has lived in a static caravan beside Loch Ness for, oh, I think pretty much 20, maybe even 20 more years, because he once saw the Loch Ness monster.

He says he did see it. Wow.

He says he did see it. Wow.

And he lives there now, waiting for a second bite of the cherry. And he's very happy. And he makes little statues of the Loch Ness Monster and sells them. And that's how he sustains himself while he's waiting. So that I do know. Yeah, Loch Ness is... Why wouldn't one believe in the Loch Ness Monster? Anyway, it's impossible to prove that there isn't one. It's rather like dinosaur civilizations.

And he lives there now, waiting for a second bite of the cherry. And he's very happy. And he makes little statues of the Loch Ness Monster and sells them. And that's how he sustains himself while he's waiting. So that I do know. Yeah, Loch Ness is... Why wouldn't one believe in the Loch Ness Monster? Anyway, it's impossible to prove that there isn't one. It's rather like dinosaur civilizations.

There is no proof that dinosaurs did not develop dinosaurs. Cell phone technology.

There is no proof that dinosaurs did not develop dinosaurs. Cell phone technology.

Can I just ask a question before... Of course. Why do you have a gag reflex about the idea of innate goodness?

Can I just ask a question before... Of course. Why do you have a gag reflex about the idea of innate goodness?

Okay, I think I want to move the goalposts a tiny bit.

Okay, I think I want to move the goalposts a tiny bit.

Maybe I'm conflating truth-telling and innate goodness. Maybe that's what I'm doing. Maybe that's the prism through which you could see what I'm trying to say. Okay, let's talk about Leni Riefenstahl for one second. The fact that watching Leni Riefenstahl's work and finding oneself stirred by it on any level... Aesthetic, probably, because she was a great aestheticist. That was her power.

Maybe I'm conflating truth-telling and innate goodness. Maybe that's what I'm doing. Maybe that's the prism through which you could see what I'm trying to say. Okay, let's talk about Leni Riefenstahl for one second. The fact that watching Leni Riefenstahl's work and finding oneself stirred by it on any level... Aesthetic, probably, because she was a great aestheticist. That was her power.

To feel ourselves stirred by that is an opportunity for us to notice in ourselves the stirrings and notice in ourselves the dangers of those stirrings. And to just, as you say, truthfully assess and weigh up and learn about ourselves that we are susceptible. And that noticing,