'The Interview': Tilda Swinton Would Like a Word With Trump About His Mother
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What unexpected connections shaped this interview?
From The New York Times, this is The Interview. I'm David Marchese. Unexpected connections sometimes arise in this job. As it happens, I had two of them with this week's guest, the Academy Award-winning actress Tilda Swinton. Both of them shaped my feeling about the conversation you're about to hear, though in very different ways. Let me tell you about the first one. In a book of sketches by the British writer John Berger called Bento's Sketchbook, one drawing has always mesmerized me. It's of an androgynous face, almost alien, and it exudes this deeply human curiosity and compassion. That sketch is labeled, simply, Tilda. I hadn't really thought about who it was based on until, that is, when in preparation for my interview with Swinton, I watched a documentary she co-directed about Berger. In it, she mentioned Bento's sketchbook, and a light bulb went on. Despite being a longtime admirer of that sketch and Swinton's acting, I'd never put together that I'd been entranced by the same person the whole time.
I couldn't help but take that as a good omen for the interview. The second connection was tougher to interpret. You might remember that my last interview was with a doctor about medical aid in dying, a subject that I've had recent personal experience with. Swinton's upcoming film, The Room Next Door, directed by Pedro Almodovar, is about, and I swear I didn't know this ahead of time, an eerily similar topic. In the movie, Swinton plays a woman named Martha, who asks her friend Ingrid, played by Julianne Moore, to support her decision to die by suicide after becoming terminally ill.
How does Tilda Swinton define friendship and coexistence?
I would have felt phony or disingenuous not to share this coincidence with Swinton, but I can't say I was exactly eager to explore it either. She, as it turns out, felt otherwise. Here's my interview with Tilda Swinton. Your new movie, The Room Next Door, is based on a great novel by Sigrid Nunez called What Are You Going Through? Yes. And that novel takes its title from a quote by the French philosopher Simone Weil, which is, the love of our neighbor in all its fullness simply means being able to say to him, what are you going through? So let me ask you, in the Simone Weil sense of the question, what are you going through?
I'm enjoying right now the attention to that question and the fact that our film puts that question into the air, the idea of bearing witness and the question of what is friendship But even more than friendship, what is it to coexist? What is it to not look away? I think of it actually as a political film because of that question that it just, it's like a balloon that we launched above people's heads. How is it possible to coexist? And how is it possible to bear witness?
I have some questions about how people might think about that, but I want to preface them by sharing what I hope is sort of a morbidly humorous anecdote related to the film. Sounds good. We'll see. We'll see. So the last interview I did was with a doctor in Canada who performs medical assistance in dying. She helps people to die. And the occasion of doing that interview was was my mother's haven't gone through that process earlier this year. So it was kind of a heavy interview for me. And then afterwards, the opportunity arose to interview you. And I thought, oh, great. I love Tilda Swinton's movies. And then I saw you were doing the director of The Room Next Door is Almodovar. And I thought... Again, oh, I love the exuberance of his work. This will be great.
It'll be a laugh. I went to the screening, you know, I got a popcorn, you know, I got my Diet Coke from a soda fountain, which is a guilty pleasure of mine. I even got some M&Ms. I get down to my seat. So good. I'm feeling good. I'm sitting there. And within a few minutes, it dawns on me that your movie is about assisted suicide. So thank you, Tilda.
Welcome. And I have to ask you, how did you feel at the end when you stood up and there were M&Ms all around your feet and you had a sugar rush headache? Because what you've described is quite a banquet of experience, your experience with your mother, your experience with this doctor, and then to see a piece of art that's also swimming in the same material. How did you feel?
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What unexpected connections shaped this interview?
0:03–1:37
2
How does Tilda Swinton define friendship and coexistence?
1:37–5:56
3
What personal experiences influenced Tilda's acting choices?
5:56–11:45
4
How does Tilda Swinton perceive the concept of death?
11:45–17:18
5
What role does art play in political protest?
17:18–26:16
6
How can experiences of loss inform art and creativity?
26:16–34:26
7
What reflections does Tilda have on her childhood and artistic upbringing?
34:26–41:41
8
How do nostalgia and activism intersect in Tilda's life?
41:41–52:42