Tim Dillon

make that the central feature of his campaign, which was immigrating.

He was not always the most eloquent about it, obviously, but he grabbed onto this idea of immigration and trade, and that really started to motivate people, and it was just basically this American nationalist ideal.

He wasn't like a Christian nationalist.

He'd been married multiple times.

He was a gambling tycoon.

He owned... And, you know, he was a deeply...

flawed human being who admitted to it and said, I participated in the scam of this country forever and I know how it works.

And that was really refreshing to hear because a lot of people were like, this guy's breaking the fourth wall.

Dave Chappelle did a great monologue on SNL about it where he's like, when I heard him say that, I was like, God, this guy came out when they talked about Putin killing people.

He goes, we kill a lot of people here too.

No one had ever heard anything like this.

I'm 41 years old.

No one had ever said anything like this on television before.

that was running for office.

And by the way, barely anyone said anything that approximated that even in the media.

Like that was like, you had to go to like a Barnes and Noble and buy a book that was like a totally like Howard Zinn book to hear anything like that.

For the most part, they weren't saying that on CNN and they weren't singing on Fox news.

They would debate the Iraq war.

They would, whatever.

They didn't like Bush, but what he was saying about the nature of the corrupt, uh,