Tim Dodd

One of those two.

But- First men to the moon, 1960.

Okay.

God, he wrote so many books.

He wrote a lot.

But he's talking about trying to get like excavators, bulldozers, all these things on a direct ascent to the moon.

So he's talking about literally launching, staging, and then landing without like another staging or rendezvous and all these things.

So he's talking about trying to land like-

1,000 tons on the moon or something.

Again, very Starship-esque.

Because if you kind of break it down to its roots, that's, you know, it's talking about colonizing the moon.

He's talking about, you know, way bigger things.

What we ended up doing is basically trying to do the path of least resistance.

And that ended up still at the time being building by far the largest rocket that had ever been built at the time, the Saturn V. By far the most powerful rocket, the most ambitious thing ever built at the time.

And now, you know, if we were to do that again, we'd be like, well, why?

We're just repeating 1960s technology.

So we're trying to do it today in a sustainable way using 21st century technology.

And most importantly, trying to do it where it could potentially be sustainable.

And the only cost is the propellant.

The only real cost.