Tim Dodd

Nope, still NASA astronauts, but they were flying on the first Boeing Starliner mission.

Right, okay.

So it just kind of puts into perspective a little bit like the complacency, I would say, of these contractors that were used to the fixed price contract.

Mm-hmm.

or to a cost plus contract, now having to work in this fixed price contract model.

And SpaceX almost got laughed out of the room when they said, you know, because one of the reasons that Boeing got more money was for timeline assurance.

So this is like 2016.

And SpaceX got less money because they were the new kids on the block.

They had never flown anyone to space.

They ended up doing it by 2020.

which was still considered behind schedule, but it's still quite aggressive.

But that was four years earlier than Boeing did.

So Boeing took twice as much time for twice as much money and still botched it.

It just shows a little bit of the bureaucracy, the

the slow portions of some of the spaceflight that I'm still frustrated with that is changing.

And NASA is moving more and more into these fixed price contracts, including in the Artemis program.

It's split down the middle.

This SLS and Orion is cost plus the human landings systems.

So the actual lunar landers are fixed price and they're commercial.

So even the Artemis program is kind of divided down the middle right now, which is good.