Tim Dodd

Because it takes that kind of money initially until the technology now is caught up to where we can make it sustainable.

We can do it, and not only can we do it better, bigger, we can do it way cheaper.

And it's just a totally,

totally different equation now because now instead of that small mass fraction of your payload getting on the moon, now you can cheat the system because you can refuel it in space and then get that off to the moon, you can land way bigger.

I mean, again, the internal volume is something like 600 cubic meters of volume and that's about half or a little more than half the internal volume of a 747.

So like imagine landing half of a 747 on the moon.

And if you're interested, your crew has these like luxurious, you know, cabins almost like it's almost a condominium in space.

And, you know, and that's versus it was only like six and a half, I think, cubic meters is what the Apollo crew had.

So they had like a tent, you know, they had a canoe versus a cruise ship, you know, it's like.

We're talking so different.

And so that's when Elon's saying, you know, we need 12 to 15 refueling because we're not doing Apollo again.

We've done Apollo.

In fact, there were three Apollo missions that were canceled that the hardware had been built already.

That's how much the public was like, eh.

Been there, done that.

We've been there.

Why are we still wasting money on this moon thing?

Like that was the sentiment.

And again, kind of because of the Cold War and the Vietnam and, you know, civil rights movements, all these things, people were just like, they saw that like, you know, the sentiment was, why are we wasting our time and money on this now?

And so Apollo 18, 19, 20 had the hardware, had the crews, were ready to fly and got canceled.