Tim Ferriss

And then when all the data came back, he was like,

Okay.

And ultimately became so interested that he spearheaded this engineering anomalies research laboratory.

And I wanted to know what the hell they had figured out.

I wanted to get a read on what they felt like they had figured out.

And this is a... I mean, this is a high-end...

incredibly credible engineer right this isn't some rando this is someone who was on the far side extreme skeptic end of things who ended up then spearheading this you can still end up with beliefs that you want confirmation for so again right the purpose of the scientific method

which is really a framework for thinking, is to prevent you from fooling yourself.

Right?

But all of those things came together to answer your question.

And I was like, you know what, I think all of these things, if for the moment we provisionally say that maybe some of those phenomena have something to them, right, in the anomalies research laboratory,

Even if you exclude that, psychedelics, lucid dreaming, certain types of like religious experience that I'd read about, I was like, I feel like there's a possibility these are all touching like the hem of the same garment.

Mm-hmm.

And perhaps that's all internally generated.

Maybe it's like a...

temporal lobe epilepsy, kind of seizure.

Like, when you look back at a lot of scripture, it's like, hmm, that sounds a lot like seizure.

But does that invalidate it?

I don't know.

Like, some of the most creative people we've ever known have also had something very similar.