The Shawn Ryan Show
#274 Tim Ferriss - Life-Changing Practical Wisdom Backed by Experience and Science
26 Jan 2026
Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
Tim Ferriss. Yes, sir. Welcome to the show, man. Thanks for having me.
Great to be here.
Thank you for coming.
Absolutely. My pleasure.
This is a little surreal for me. So it's very cool to meet you in person. Really, really cool. So me and my entire team have been really pumped about this.
Awesome.
Thank you. But man, I want to kick it right off with an introduction here. So everybody gets an intro. Tim Ferriss. One of the most interesting people in the world. This could easily be a four-hour introduction. Host of a monster podcast, The Tim Ferriss Show, with world-class guests and over a billion downloads.
Author of five number one New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestsellers, all aimed at helping people improve performance across many domains. A Princeton-educated polyglot. You speak five languages to five different degrees. An early angel investor who wrote checks to Uber, Shopify, Twitter, and Duolingo before most people knew what they were.
An early advocate for psychedelic therapy and the philanthropist behind the SASE Foundation pushing boundaries of mental health treatment.
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Chapter 2: What are Tim Ferriss's key accomplishments?
you put real skin in the game. Did I say that right? Size. Size. Excuse me. The first American history, first American in history to hold a Guinness book, a Guinness world record and tango spins. And Tim, I started a book myself. It's called the never ending work week. So just, yeah, I can send them as a, we can sell them as a pair. Yeah. But, um, um,
A common thing that I think that everybody sees in you is you are always early to the game, man. You are always ahead. And it's really cool to see.
Thanks, man. Yeah, I just try to track what the weirdos are doing on the weekends with their free time.
I mean, you were talking about hormones and cold plunge and all this stuff way, way, way before all the influencers came out.
Yeah, the 4-Hour Body was 2010, which meant I started writing in 2008. So I remember having a first-generation continuous glucose monitor. This was back when it basically had to fall off the back of a truck because Dexcom was only selling to type 1 diabetics.
And the older continuous glucose monitors basically had these prongs, looked almost like something you'd use for a barbecue that you had to put under, into your abdomen sideways. And then you had this, no smartphone, beeper-like device to track it. So unpleasant.
How long did you have that thing on?
i remember reading the book but i feel like it was like 10 15 years ago it was a long time 2010 is when it came out okay so it was so i was using it i was using the device quite a bit before that had to tape plastic over it to allow me to take showers i probably had that in for a good month or so it was enough time to make it worthwhile i mean more recently i've done lots of tests with much more pleasant wearables and so on but
A lot of that holds up, like, the durability of the stuff in that book. Like, there are a few tweaks I would make, but by and large, everything has more scientific support now. No kidding. And it's not super surprising.
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Chapter 3: How did Tim Ferriss become interested in psychedelics?
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And then before we get too in the weeds with the interview, I have a Patreon account. It's a subscription account, and we've turned it into one hell of a community. So one of the things I do is I offer them the opportunity to ask every single guest a question. So this is from Scott J. Battagoli. In the last five years, what new belief, behavior, or habit has most improved your life?
And how would you relate it to the struggles of young men just starting out in life?
Good question. Behavior, belief. I'm going to throw out a few. I'll give people a grab bag. So I would say I'll start with the first thing that comes to mind, which is on the physical side. And I've really changed how I think about this after doing a lot of experimentation. Intermittent fasting is going to seem like a strange place to start.
Intermittent fasting, so time-restricted eating where you're fasting. In my case, I'm fasting until 2 or 3 p.m. every day, more or less. And doing that for, say, even three months, did a few things. And end of one, so your mileage may vary, but there's a lot of good science around intermittent fasting. Mark Mattson is one scientist who comes to mind.
And there are certain issues that I've always had with my blood work. Certain issues I've had with, for instance, fasting glucose, insulin, and you can measure these things. If you're just doing blood tests, I would also, I'm not a doctor, don't play one on the internet, but consider asking your doctor about something called an oral glucose tolerance test.
And no matter what I did, I could be vegan, I could be carnivore, I could be something in between. There were certain numbers that always looked bad. They would just not change. Seemed to come from buggy code DNA, genetics. And a few months of intermittent fasting gave me the most immaculate corrections to those markers that I and my doctors have ever seen.
I've been tracking those for a very long time. Furthermore, and here's why it ties into more than just the physical, because the mind and the body, or at least let's just call it the brain and the body, are really one interconnected superorganism, right?
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Chapter 4: What insights does Tim Ferriss share about mental health?
It's a very simple way of putting it. But if you are developing the metabolic machinery for that switching I was talking about, your body gets better at things like autophagy, mitophagy, sort of cellular self-cleaning. So your cleanup crew gets better, if that makes sense. It's a very simplistic way to put it, but I think it's a fair way to think about it.
And that is part of the reason, if you look at, and I don't want to oversell this, but fasting, in a sense, is the oldest cure. If you look at animals, if they get sick, what do they do? At least mammals, most ungulates like deer and so on, they fast. And if we get sick, we don't want to eat. Your appetite's gone. Yeah, but then we'll often force ourselves to eat, eating by the clock.
And I would say that the details do matter. Like, that depletion of liver glycogen from at least the reading and research I've done seems to matter a lot. So much like a ketogenic diet, if you do it halfway, you're actually not getting... a lot of the benefits that the protocol seems to offer. So I would say that's one. I'll switch gears for a second.
I'm happy to come back to the intermittent fasting, but I would say in terms of beliefs and behaviors, I would say a focus on, just to really zoom out, focus on investing in, and I have very specific ways that I do this, relationships.
And the way that looks is if I do a past year review, as I'm doing right now, looking back on the past year, and I look through my calendar week by week and identify the energy-giving and energy-draining activities. Where were the peak positive and where were the peak negative? But also what types of things in my calendar drained me versus energized me?
And then creating a do more of column and a do less of column. It's very easy to do it on a single piece of paper. But the crux piece of that, that I ignored for a long time,
was all right if you have a parking lot and that parking lot has five to ten slots for your most important relationships family closest friends last year did you spend as much time as you would like to with those people if the answer is no which it usually is then i'm going to schedule time in advance book and pay for things for the following year calendar it before it gets crowded out immediately and so that could be long weekends could be group dinners
It could be, as I'm gonna be doing soon, hosting friends. It could be time in Montana wilderness, which was a couple of months ago, but getting all that stuff on the calendar and creating some loss aversion by, whenever possible, paying it in advance. Doesn't have to be expensive. but creating a situation where it's very hard for you to cancel and get out of things.
That, I think, is the facet of self-help, in quotation marks, that gets lost. If you focus on the self, the paradox of self-help is if you excessively focus on the self, it is almost inevitable that you're gonna be miserable. Like, humans are not intent, the self-sufficiency
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Chapter 5: What insights does Tim Ferriss share about the significance of reading Scripture?
Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, I think Scripture, I think it doesn't matter if you're religious or not. I think you should read Scripture. I think there are different ways to approach it. But, I mean, if something is sort of one of the foundations of Western civilization, it's like, yeah, maybe you should get familiar with it, right?
Like, if you haven't read the Constitution, maybe you should read the Constitution, too. It's like, you know, the Constitution's a much shorter read, so maybe start there. But... What do you think happens when we die? What do I think happens when we die? I find it increasingly difficult to believe that we simply have a machine that gets turned off.
So... I think that's informed by some of the experiences on psychedelics.
Chapter 6: What are Tim Ferriss's beliefs about what happens after we die?
And I recognize I could take, and I think it's important, if you have a strong belief, I think it's really important that you try to attack that belief with the strongest possible version of a critic's arguments, right? I really think that's important. If you want to become a better thinker and a better human, I think that's important.
So, I recognize that I could also make a bunch of arguments for why it should just be lights out. But if I'm looking at some of the documentation around near-death experiences, if I'm looking at, like, the sort of... the CCTV-like view from above where people are able to confirm things that happened, where objects were placed, what people said while they were clinically dead.
It's hard to explain that with, like, hypoxia and... death rattle spasms in the brain and erratic neuronal firing. Seems pretty hard to explain. And there's enough in terms of documented cases where, at the very least, it raises some interesting questions. So, what do I think happens when you die? I mean, the best placeholder that I have is that consciousness is fundamental, just like matter.
I'm not even convinced time is fundamental. But... Carlo Rivelli, I think his name is. Like, there's some really interesting writing from physicists on time. Like, it's not as static, uniform, constant as one might like to think. But if consciousness on some level is fundamental, kind of Max Planck style, then I think when you die, it's like a drop return to the ocean. You think what?
I think that your consciousness is like what we experience as sort of a skin-encapsulated ego. that we associate with ourself, and all of that can dissolve and go away on psychedelics, right? And you have the experience of something you might call consciousness without any- A collective consciousness, is that what you're saying? What was that? Some type of a collective consciousness.
Sure, something like that, yeah. Where it's like, yeah, okay, you're a drop of water,
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Chapter 7: How does Tim Ferriss approach the concept of high expectations?
and you just get returned to the ocean. What does that subjectively mean? No idea, right? I mean, what's it like... what's it like... a few months before you're born? I don't know. I don't know. What is that like? Not the slightest clue. But, you know, I've had conversations with people like the incredible biologist, also computer scientist,
You just talk to this guy, Michael Levin, out of TOTS, who is on the cutting edge of more things than I can even list off at this point. But if you're looking at the development of a human from embryo, and I'm getting seemingly a little off track, but I don't think so.
the development of consciousness, which we kind of need to define, but let's just... let's just think of it as having an identity of me, an I, that is separate from the outside. And maybe you're aware that you're aware, right? Which might distinguish humans from other species in some way. Okay. Well, when does that happen?
Is there just a point in the process where it's like Frankenstein galvanizing and it's like lights on and suddenly? Or does it actually exist at a cellular or subcellular level and it just scales up to what we experience, kind of like a beehive? I tend to lean towards the latter, right? And I think Michael Levin would lean towards the latter. Like, very good scientists.
These aren't people running around at Esalen with tinfoil hats on. I love Esalen, by the way. No smack to Esalen. I've been there before. But it's like, these are people who have some of the most analytical, critically-minded brains in the scientific field. And these are open questions. So... What do you think happens when you die?
Well, I mean, I'm a Christian, so I think you die and you either go up or down. Yeah, yeah. But I don't know. I mean, when I did psychedelics, I mean, I was... I don't know if I would say I was an atheist. I wasn't an atheist. I believed in something. I just wasn't sure. I don't know.
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Chapter 8: What lessons does Tim Ferriss offer about saying no and setting boundaries?
I don't even know how to explain it. I didn't think about it, you know? And... I didn't think about it until I did Ibogaine and 5-MeO DMT.
Climb the Mount Everest of psychedelics.
Yeah.
I want to go skiing. Okay, I'll do it without oxygen down Everest. Let's go.
Yeah. And then we did 5-MeO after that, which is a death experience. And it did make me realize, oh, there's definitely something after all of this. Yeah. And so...
That's where it landed. Yeah. It's... So, I would say, I was for a period of time, like, a... for lack of a better descriptor, like a militant atheist. Um, one of my friends, I was not raised religious. The school I went to, the private school, was, uh, Episcopal. So, nominally Christian, had chapel every morning outside of one or two days.
But that was really for, like, roll call and announcements. And you could go to religious service. And I would occasionally, actually, go to religious service. Uh... But... a friend of mine, a few years out of college, was getting divorced, and he joined a church that was very, very, very extreme. And... I would say a weaponized version of religion. Like, very extreme.
And I was incredibly worried for him. But he was very, very, very, is very, very, very smart. And so he had done all this reading. He had kind of prepared himself for every possible counterargument. And I was like, well, I gotta stock up on some materials here. So I bought all these books. and, like, Bertrand Russell and this, this, and this.
And we would have these long debates, and I'm trying to kind of prevent him from being weaponized in this church, because he was, like, the heir apparent. Like, he's got a really smart guy, very intense, super aggressive in everything he did. And I was very concerned, but ultimately realized that at that point in time, he had no safety net. He was going through this horrible divorce.
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