Tim Ferriss

and got a big hardcover book called Fishes of the World.

And out on eastern Long Island, maybe people don't know this, but lots of sharks and great whites.

And the crazy shark fisherman from Jaws was actually based on a guy named Frank Mundus, who was a rod and reel shark hunter off of Montauk.

And so my mom took me to meet him.

I was fascinated by sharks.

And...

That is just a roundabout way of saying, for a long time, it was not safe for me to go into kind of like group sports.

So my mom threw me into kid wrestling.

Weight class, right?

It's like puny kid versus puny kid.

Perfect.

And that stuck all the way up until the beginning of college.

And so wrestling was...

the the center of my athletic life gotcha yeah just if you want to get good at sufferfest wrestling is a good way to do it i was a wrestler too yeah very familiar also puny so yeah yeah so so i would say those are a few things that i was into i was very interested in drawing i think just genetically there's there's my grandfather was a sculptor he

seems to be something just in the bloodline for that, so I was always drawing.

So I was, I kind of had, I guess, three in tandem, right?

The neuroscience and cognitive performance and stuff, that was an interest.

And I thought, oh, man, it could be really interesting to be a scientist.

And then there was the marine biology also, right?

The intersection of science.