Tim Ferriss

There's a lot of forces at work and dynamics at play that make it challenging for people who have hard experiences to get the help they need.

But as someone who... I had a podcast in 2015 about Ibogaine.

And Ibogaine in Mexico specifically, and...

I've been around these things, certainly not as long as many.

Like, there are facilitators who have tens of thousands of sessions under their belts over 40, 50 years.

I mean, these people know infinitely more than I do.

And certainly, indigenous practitioners are coming through practices handed down from generation to generation for hundreds of thousands of years.

We have a beginning to scratch the surface there.

But I've had enough time, I would say, as someone who's taken it very seriously and

had researching and experiencing and experimenting around psychedelics as my unpaid full-time job for 10 years to say that once I had a platform, the number of emails that come over the transom from people who have been destabilized is not trivial, right?

No shit.

Yeah, it's not trivial.

And you can... you can...

can mitigate some of the risks there are better or i should say safer and less safe ways of approaching different psychedelics and it depends on the compound right like psychedelic is not a psychedelic it's not a psychedelic like these are as different

as completely separate classes of drugs in some cases, in my opinions.

And even at different doses, they behave very differently.

So, it's like 10 micrograms of LSD is very different than 200 micrograms of LSD, as an example.

I would just say that take it seriously, right?

And if you're going to consider these tools, the way I put it with folks, because a lot of friends come to me to discuss this, is I say, you should look at this as like you're having the neurosurgery example is a good one, but let's use perhaps a better comparison in some respects, which is you're about to have both knees or both hips replaced.

Okay.