Tim Heidecker

And I think it's a way to like skirt unions.

It's a way to like not pay people enough money to live.

So those guys were in the beginning of that.

And so you have not a lot of interest in comedy coming out by like cable networks and the bigger companies.

There's stuff that comes out, of course.

Tim Robinson.

He's got through.

He's pushed through.

Nathan Fielder's pushed through.

Yeah.

And so there's room for that.

But there's not a lot room for a lot of smaller stuff, I guess, or more experimental stuff.

And maybe there never was.

But there was certainly a little period of time, I think, in the early 2000s where it really kind of worked for a lot of people.

I think it's a format whose time has come.

It came a while ago.

I grew up on Letterman and early Conan O'Brien.

Loved those shows.

Especially with Letterman, there was a sense of experimentation and trying things and it feeling like these are just some weirdos who accidentally got a TV studio.

And it's being broadcast on NBC to the whole world.