Tim Miller

And those candidates weren't competitive in any of those places.

Right.

People get wrapped up in, does that mean doing it in a Bernie style or in a Manchin style or whatever?

But to me, the frustrating part is that I agree with your premise.

And it doesn't feel to me like there are very many people out there saying, no, we need to do something really different, particularly to win in those places, particularly when talking about the Senate.

I wish the Plattner thing was in a different state.

That's in Maine.

Is Tallarico different?

No, I agree.

They obviously don't plan on ever confirming a Democratic justice again.

And just saying the last two successful politicians to remake their party's image, like both ran against the party, your guy in 08 and Trump, like actively against the party.

You know, like not like, oh, a little bit like we might have messed up a little bit.

And you were there in 08.

But obviously, the Trump campaign was a total affront to the Republican establishment in a way that Obama wasn't.

But on foreign policy and other issues like Obama was very much critical of the Democratic establishment had the benefit of running against Hillary, who could have represented it.

Yeah, Chewy.

Also, Trump does do it.

Actually, Trump criticizes other Republicans all the time.

Yeah, right.

Yeah.