Tim Miller

So you see a little bit of it.

So here's the thing that I struggle with and then maybe might be the area that we have slight disagreement on that I want to hear your pushback to because I don't – I think it's actually really important that the left figure out how to talk about this and discuss it, which is – and I talked about this a little bit with Chris Hayes on Tuesday, which is there are a lot of people on the left, particularly younger people.

who are passionately opposed to the way that israel conducted the response to october 7th and they've seen the videos on their tick tock feeds of innocent palestinians getting killed and maimed and children and it's and horrible they've seen horrible stuff they don't like to be netanyahu government

Many good reasons for that.

And they're upset at Israel.

And then they're on the internet and they're consuming information.

And the people that seem to have the most moral clarity about that question of how the Palestinians were treated are also the people we were just talking about.

The Candace Owens of the world and Tucker Carlson seem to have the most moral clarity.

I just want to say this is from their perspective.

Yeah.

And then there's some people who are left pod influencers who make their whole brand, oh, the Democratic Party is in league with AIPAC and the Jews and Israel.

And so the only information they're getting are from these far right podcasters who are anti-Israel and these left wing podcasters who are attacking the Democratic establishment.

Again, in some ways, potentially legitimately for their policy views.

Yeah.

And so how do you break through that?

And I think the only way to possibly break through that is to be able to have a clear denunciation of the things that you don't like about the policies put forth by the Bibi Netanyahu government with also, and does so in a way that doesn't lead people down a slide towards, oh, I'm concerned about Jewry worldwide.

And I think that's very challenging.

You don't give him points for trying?

He seems to be trying, which is what I would defend Zoran on, which I think is a category difference from someone on the Republican side who revel in the wink and the nod comment, whereas Zoran seems to be trying to win people back over.

George Wallace instituted racist policies and then is an old man.