Tim Miller

And you hate to hand it to Steve Bannon ever, but there's an interesting answer from Bannon that ties into their deteriorating popularity and how...

like the damage that they've done and the deteriorating popularity are intertwined.

And, and he pointed to Doge and he's, he's basically like, look, the fact that nobody saw this at the top, right.

Which was the, like we wasted all this time under this fake notion.

They're going to save $2 trillion, which they never were going to do.

And instead, we wasted all this political capital on doing that.

And what you and I would describe as the damage caused by Doge, probably different than what Bannon would describe as the damage caused by Doge, right?

But there was direct damage caused to people, various communities.

People lost jobs.

And obviously, there's an international element to it.

And they did it and got nothing.

That's also something that on, I think, December 29th of last year, we wouldn't have expected.

Right.

Like the damage done by Doge exceeded what we expected.

That was like on our predictions list that they were going to let Elon Musk run roughshod over Doge and like put 22-year-old like Groipers in charge of USAID or whatever.

Like that wasn't on our list.

And the fact that they did that, I do think ends up being very harmful in retrospect.

And especially if you're somebody like that that did feel real damage, which I think some did with those, whether that would be health care and the hospital issue in rural areas.

I remember being struck at the time just being in Louisiana, like random people that were contractors for a program.

I just think a lot of the image of it just being –