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The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

I was thinking earlier this week, I was like, you know, if you'd asked me in the year 2020, like who is the most likely country to be the next country to use a nuke, to go rogue and use a nuke, I would have said Iran.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

North Korea probably first, maybe Pakistan second.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

I don't even know who would have been third, right?

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

If you ask me right now, April 3rd, I would say probably Donald Trump is most likely to use a nuke and maybe Bibi is second in the world and then maybe Pakistan or North Korea.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

I'm not saying it's a 50% chance, but it sure seems a lot higher than it was for all the rest of my life up until this point.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

And I'm beginning to catastrophize on that topic.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

And I just wanted to throw that out there for your reaction and leave people on the Easter weekend with, you know, a little meditation on the possibility of nuclear annihilation.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

My scenario is more like a dementia-riddled old man decides that he gets like the idea starts rattling around in his brain.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

It's like, nobody's done this since Truman.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

They'll be talking about me.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

They'll be talking about me.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

I'll be on the news.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

I was like, more of that was really where my brain was going.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

Then there'd be like some sort of geopolitical, you know, escalation.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

You know, we go up the escalation ladder, but either possible.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

OK, we'll leave people with that.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

Thank you for doing this.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

It's I wish everybody this Easter weekend was Passover.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

And so I appreciate that you're doing, you know, coming on on Passover.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

Producer Katie was was suspect.

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