Tim Miller

Alyssa was in there in Trump 1.0.

So fair skepticism about Alyssa sometimes from people.

And let me tell you, that fair skepticism extended to me.

When I was writing Why We Did It, I was trying to analyze the psychology of people who knew better but went along with Trump anyway.

So it's kind of hard to pick representative people because I didn't want to do a Mean Girls Burn book, you know, where I was just like slaying random people and like just choosing based on like past slights from campaigns of yore.

And so what I decided to do was choose the group that did the autopsy with me.

Because me and one other woman were basically the only people that didn't go along with Trump, the core autopsy group.

But the problem was like none of those people like really fit one archetype.

And so I needed somebody else to offer to participate.

And I called around to different people.

And I didn't know this at all.

I'd never met her.

And we met in secret.

It was very furtive.

You know, she was nervous.

Like an ally?

You don't want to be seen with me.

With you?

She didn't want to be seen with you?

She didn't want to be seen with me.