Tim Miller

And this was an article of hers from 2002 where she said, Homeland isn't really an American word.

It's not something we used to say or say now.

It has a vaguely Teutonic ring.

V must help the Fuhrer protect the homeland.

And that's like how I felt about it.

That's how I felt about it.

And I didn't feel that way.

about the Department of Homeland Security during the 20 aughts.

I should have in retrospect, but I didn't.

But like the way they use it has drawn out that kind of German Teutonic sense for me in a way that's made me feel very uncomfortable.

It's the blood and soil element of it.

So that'd be my answer.

What about you?

Yeah, I thought that was the interesting thing about the Peggy column that you referenced it is to me, it speaks to something that I think basically everyone would have agreed about in 2002 that the Trump supporters would disagree with now because they have to out of convenience, which is that like words matter, framing their carry with them some type of.

you know, whether you want to or not.

They carry with them implications, you know, whether you want them to or not necessarily.

And it feels like the fact that they gave it that name, the Department of Homeland Security, had these implications.

You could kind of see some of it in the Bush and Obama years.

I don't want to say you couldn't.

The sort of rhetorical implications of it really fully bloomed in this past few years.