Chapter 1: What impact does the Supreme Court ruling have on voting rights?
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Chapter 2: How does Jon Ossoff connect Trump to racism and election outcomes?
Hey, everybody, I got a bunch of stuff for you today. The pod is going to be a double header and segment two. We're going to do a little MMA talk with the woke Bill Crystal of MMA world. So I think that will be interesting, particularly with.
the big fight coming up in the white house grounds and of the then there's more corruption than i even realized between trump and mma world so do stick around for luke thomas uh up first uh we got john ossoff you might have heard about him uh he has been hot on the stump lately so i was excited to chat with him about his re-elect uh in georgia but also some bigger picture stuff
Reminder, we have our live events in California, San Diego, downtown San Diego, May 20th, downtown LA, May 21st. I'm getting some fun stuff ready. So, come on. Come hang. Pull the trigger. Let's do it. Before we get to both of our guests, I taped both of them yesterday, so Wednesday, and I'm taping this Thursday morning.
We have some news this morning that Janet Mills has dropped out of the Maine Senate race. I just... The main Senate race has been an absolute calamity.
Chapter 3: What are the implications of potential Supreme Court retirements?
And I think that hopefully it doesn't end as a calamity. Hopefully it ends with Senator Plattner. But I do think it's important for the Democratic establishment to take this moment to learn from what happened in the race. And the Democratic base is unhappy. They want fighters. They don't want people in their 80s. They want people that are going to demonstrate that they are up for the moment.
And so having the D.C. establishment try to force people on them is not only not going to work, it's going to backfire, like we saw in Maine. And this is kind of related to the Hassan discourse I was getting into. Sometimes I feel like I'm going crazy because I live through, obviously there are differences, but I live through the populist base uprising in the Republican Party.
Some of it is untameable. But there are things that can be done and there's things that shouldn't be done. There are things that backfire. And I watched it all.
Chapter 4: How does Jon Ossoff view U.S. aid to Israel?
Like I watched it all happen. I watched how the limp Republican establishment just kept stepping on rake after rake as they watched the Tea Party and then eventually Trump take over. And so there's at least some lessons learned from what not to do that I can offer to people. And one thing not to do is try to feed a 80-year-old establishment candidate, Lobster Biden, onto an electorate
that that has told you they don't want it okay if you want a fight and mod you got to find a fight and mod and i don't i don't exactly know like dan cleveland was in the race initially he's a beer guy in maine who knows how well the good of a campaign he could have run but the fact that chuck schumer went and pushed a kind of an independent-minded mainstream democratic businessman out of the race and pressured him and others to endorse janet mills's hopeless campaign and then
went negative and started dropping oppo on Graham Platner long after it was obvious that Platner was going to win. And it was just a comedy of errors. And the comedy of errors was based on a lack of understanding of what is really happening on the ground.
And if you understood what was really happening on the ground and you were worried about Platner because of his history, because he's a little bit of a loose cannon, whatever reason, if you have legitimate concerns that this is a risky bet for Maine, Well, you had sitting there an outsider businessman candidate that didn't have quite as rowdy of a background. And maybe that wouldn't have worked.
Graham was super talented. Graham might have been winning anyway. But at least going the other way. There was a chance, you know, dumb and dumber.
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Chapter 5: What lessons can be learned from the Iran war?
So you're saying there's a chance. And certainly if you're going to do this, like officially endorsing the establishment, I mean, like they cost Janet Mills points by doing this, by you being heavy handed and getting into maintenance. OK, so, you know, I think that there's good reason for the base to be mad. You don't want to get eaten by the crocodile.
So I was scrolling through my Instagram feed this morning and had multiple messages from people sending me a post that has like millions of views from an influencer talking about how they're not a conspiracy theorist. And then they lay out a bunch of conspiracy theories like this. You have to have lines around all this. You have to recognize this thing can spiral out of control.
And so wasting your credibility on a 79-year-old Senate candidate and demonstrating just total tone deafness ruins your ability to have any trust with voters when you're going to them and saying, hey, this thing isn't true, or this is out of line, this is too far, maybe we need... a different type of candidate to win in this type of state.
I mean, like they just, the establishment has just totally torched their credibility. It's, it's also related to the Favreau interview with Ken Martin, but I'm sure many of you guys listened to over on Ponds of America. It's like, they got to wake up, they got to wake up. And if they don't, there's going to be a violent overthrow of the party by the populist left.
And we'll see how that shakes out.
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Chapter 6: How does the UFC influence Trump's public image?
So that's where we're at. It's going to be grand platinum versus Susan Collins. We'll obviously be covering that race a lot and just a total, disaster class from Schumer and the DSCC and how to handle that race. I will say there's some other green shoots, including our guest today, including the recruitment of Mary Paltola in Alaska, some other ones. So it's not, you know, things are nuanced.
Humans are fallible. They make smart decisions and mad decisions. They're running a great race in Georgia, have had some good recruitments in other places, but the main situation was Basically, a 101 in everything that you can do wrong as an establishment trying to deal with a populist uprising in your midst. All right, so that's that.
There's a bunch of other stuff out there that we'll get into later on in the week. The gas price, we could have hit an inflection point, I think, on the economic strife. The gas prices increasing that we're seeing this week, particularly in the upper Midwest, is pretty alarming. And there's a lot worse to come on that front.
Chapter 7: What is the relationship between MMA and political movements?
That's going to have major ripple effects in our politics. I think that we're very, very early in the economic crisis and things are going to get worse before they get better. And that's going to have a lot of impact on the midterms. And hopefully that'll help people like. Graham Platner and the guest we're about to get to next. So stick around.
Segment two, it's Luke Thomas doing a little MMA talk. I am not an MMA person. So even if you're not an MMA person, it's very 101. And I think it sheds a lot of important light on what's happening with Trump. So I encourage you to stick around for that. But up first, it's Jon Ossoff. Hello and welcome to the Bulwark Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller.
Delighted to welcome to the show for the first time the Democratic United States Senator from the state of Georgia.
Chapter 8: What are the key challenges facing Democrats in upcoming elections?
It's John Ossoff. How you doing, man? Hey, Tim. Thank you for having me, man. All good. It is really good to have you. We got a bunch to get into. A couple of news items I want to start with. On Wednesday morning, the Supreme Court narrowed Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act. It's going to impact...
have unclear but potentially up to a dozen or more majority black districts held by black representatives. I'm wondering your thoughts on the ruling and how to move forward from here.
I think it's a disaster, and it's the fruit of... a many years long effort to dismantle the policy legacy of a civil rights movement and the foundations of black political power in the United States.
And it makes me think about what President Trump has done and tried to do in Georgia since 2020, up to and including the recent raid on Fulton County where Tulsi Gabbard, the nation's spy chief, right, the nation's senior most intelligence officer, not a law enforcement official,
was there overseeing, overseeing, and those are her own words that she used under oath in front of a Senate Intelligence Committee when I questioned her, the nation's spy chief overseeing a ballot raid in Fulton County. Well, why is it that Donald Trump has been so obsessed with Fulton County, Georgia, and the 2020 election.
And in my view, it's because this man who is a committed, lifelong racist, who recently posted memes of the Obamas depicted as apes, cannot wrap his head around the fact that black voters and black political power in the American South was responsible for his defeat in the 2020 election, hence his obsession with Georgia ever since.
I'm wondering what your reaction is with regards to SCOTUS itself. It's a 6-3 ruling. It ends up going on partisan lines. We don't know what's next as far as potential resignations. Obviously, there's some discussion of if the Democrats ever get back in power, thinking about reforms to SCOTUS, expansion.
I'm just kind of wondering what you think of the state of play of the Roberts Court and what could potentially be done.
Well, it speaks to how important these U.S. Senate races are. Because they will try, I am confident, to push Alito and Thomas off of the bench. And if they have the votes in the Senate, they will try to put 30-something MAGA fanatic lawyers on the Supreme Court who will serve literally for generations. And that will be, if it comes to pass, in some ways the most durable legacy.
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