Tim Miller

I actually think that we have to recognize that this is not just a left versus right moment.

This is not a Democrats versus Republican moment.

If we really do believe that there's an existential threat to our democracy, we've got to look for defectors.

We've got to be willing to be in conversation with people who perhaps can be persuaded towards their better selves, towards our better selves, if we're going to engage them meaningfully at times when they reject something that Donald Trump does, when he attacks Rob Reiner after Rob Reiner has been murdered or whatever.

You know, attack his attack on birthright citizenship or who are willing to say, you know what, there's something like gross about the way these tech companies seem to be, you know, giving Donald Trump like a big check.

And then he endorses everything they want in the regulatory framework.

So anyone who's pushing back against the corruption, the cruelty, the crassness, we have to find ways, the unconstitutionality of much of what he's doing, we've got to find ways to be in conversation with those folks and to honor those defections, even while we robustly disagree with their journey.

I have massive problems with Ben Shapiro.

But I ought to be able to say, you know what, on this issue, he's not wrong.

And we and we welcome him engaging on this and seeming to be thoughtful on it.

I got no problem doing that.

Doesn't make me weaker in some way.

Doesn't make you dirty.

No, not even a little bit.

Not even a little bit, man.

We are at an existential crisis.

We have a president of the United States who's engaged in extrajudicial murders off the coast of this country.

I have this old-fashioned notion that the state must always show itself.

And here, the state is not showing itself.

We have masked agents who are running through Main Street, USA,