Tim Miller

It's better to have somebody in this space saying that than the alternative.

And I pointed that out on social media, and I've had some of my lefty friends push back on me on that and talk about how awful he is.

I'm like, I agree he's awful.

But that's a question that we're all going to have, right?

You're saying you look back on this and you say, well, God, I think some of the evangelicals that supported aid –

into Africa were doing so in a way that was maybe condescending and not helpful and whatever.

That's preferable to people who say, F everyone in the shithole countries.

You know what I mean?

How do you think about that going forward?

I think it's going to be tough to repair all this stuff and to have to sit at tables with people again.

I respected what you said about Ben Shapiro.

I did not respect when you attacked Pramila Jayapal.

But I do.

I say a lot, man.

What did I nag around?

I can take it.

She had a critique about a broad approach on language.

And you quote tweeted on her in a way that seemed kind of unnecessarily egregiously punching down.

But I don't want to focus on that.

It's more important, I think, to focus on your Ben Shapiro point, which I respected.