Tim Miller

Yeah.

And you're right at this point.

He's like his biggest fear at one point is fascism, right?

And is protecting the West.

And this is where, like, things start to come into tension with now, right?

With what your perception is of what Trump is doing.

And, like, they're doing work with ICE, right?

They're doing work with, as we've mentioned, the surveillance state.

How does he kind of process that?

Like the idea that, you know, the mission of the company is to protect Western civilization and liberal democracy.

And that now there are threats to that coming from kind of inside the house.

yeah well interestingly you don't hear much about liberal democracy anymore um you know when he talks about defending the west now it's not really about defending liberal democracy it's about defending the west as a sort of cultural entity and in that sense he he is very much aligned now with teal because you know teal you know years ago he he wrote this famous essay in which he said that you know democracy and freedom by which meant economic freedom were not compatible

He was on the side of economic freedom, not democracy.

And yeah, so Thiel's conception of the West was something as basically a bunch of countries bound by a shared Judeo-Christian ethic and by varying degrees of adherence to the free enterprise system.

Karp had a different view.

Karp's view was Palantir's view.

But now with Karp, certainly in the last few years, even before Trump returned to office, but especially since Trump has returned to office, when Karp talks about the West, it's as a cultural entity.

He's not talking about it as a political project any longer.

And his views have shifted on that for sure.

And you mentioned that the views shifted maybe even a little bit more aggressively after October 7th.