Tim Miller

I'm just wondering, that trajectory, and this is going to take us into Candice and Erica, but like

How do you assess where we're at now versus, you know, 2015, right?

Like, do you feel like the fever swamps have gotten hotter?

Do you sense any cracking?

Just biggest picture.

What was the Laura Loomer refugee story?

That is an interesting transition to Candace, because there is this horseshoe that people talk about.

And sometimes I throw that word around and not all listeners understand what we're talking about.

But essentially, there's this horseshoe theory that like the far right and the far left end up intersecting at a point and overlapping.

And like you see, like Tulsi Gabbard is a good example of this.

She was like a left wing populist who ends up now in Trump's administration.

You know, you see and I talked about this in the last couple of weeks with Chris Hayes and Tommy Vitor.

You see, you know, sometimes folks who are, you know, on the left and are critical of Biden, maybe legitimately critical of Biden for, you know, the policy of our administration in the Middle East and upset at the Democratic establishment and upset at AIPAC.

And they find themselves online.

receiving candace owens or tucker carlson content and they hear them talking quite passionately about how bad israel is and they start to get like kind of drawn in is interesting you know and that this is one of the visual lines right like i think that some of those people who you know were drawn to trump because they felt like he was the anti-war candidate or because

They maybe sensed an anti-Semitic streak that they liked or whatever, that he didn't seem like he was part of the military establishment.

They liked him.

And now they get him and Trump is in there.

And what Trump is doing is banning injured Palestinian citizens from being able to come to America to seek medical care, to seek asylum.

I mean, it's insane.