Tim Miller

You wrote, the court's decision is consonant with the philosophy articulated by Kilpatrick that the state is oppressive when it interferes with the right to discriminate and respects liberty when it allows discrimination.

And I just thought that was a very succinct way to frame it.

If we look at kind of the trajectory of this, you write about the 1982 congressional reauthorization, which obviously Reagan signs, and then it gets reauthorized again in 2006 with Bush.

A lot of these sentiments you described were held then, right?

It's not as if conservatives did not believe in 1982 and 2006 that liberals weaponized accusations of racism against them for ways that were—

whatever overwrought or fake and there weren't people that took umbrage against them and bush appointed alito for example and so i'm wondering what you make of like why the change now and what that says about our trajectory and uh just for give some context to this i think it'd be interesting i went back and listened to bush's signing speech when he was signing the reauthorization in 2006 i just want to play a

What's changed, do you think?

I agree with a lot of that.

I'm curious your thoughts on my initial reaction when you first started talking.

One of my fundamental belief changes recently is I've become very pro-virtue signaling.

Lately, I feel like virtue signaling was much maligned for a while.

You listen to the Bush speech and it's like there's something to be said for it.

It's kind of like at some level you want people's hearts to be changed, but there's also something to be said for leaders feeling like they should appeal to virtue rather than device.

I don't want to make this seem like this is a blame on the voters, you know, of color that voted for Trump.

But I think that the cynical view that you're talking about where Republicans feel like there wasn't a price to be paid, like during the Bush era, Republicans were doing terrible with black voters.

Like there was this idea that if they demonstrate a good faith, right, that eventually it could be won over.

Right.

And so I think that Trump, not just winning twice, uh,

But like doing slightly better among black and brown voters, I think also contributed like and it like ended this conventional wisdom in Republican circles like to win over Hispanic voters.

You have to be moderate on immigration to win over black voters.