Tim Ross

It's her passion and it's like opening up the entire collection all the time to whichever community or whichever group of people wants to come in and see it.

She's the opposite of precious.

It's a really, really good point because I've noticed in the past 10 years, maybe less, that within architecture and conservation, there's this attitude which is now, well, we can do this and we can repair that and we can present this to the nation.

And this is in Aspic and this building we're going to,

Keep repairing and keep altering maybe.

And this one's actually falling down.

But we're going to show it like it's falling down.

We're going to let nature do its thing very slowly.

And there are UNESCO World Heritage Sites where they've actively said at one point we're going to have to close this because it's going to become unsafe to visit it.

But we're going to let that happen because there's no other strategy that's going to work with it.

Well, you and I visited a Volklink and Ironworks in Germany, right?

It was amazing.

It was like visiting the set of Mad Max.

It was one of my favorite places on the planet, right?

Extraordinary.

There's two Ironworks.

They're quite similar.

I think Volklink's a bit bigger.

And these are like huge iron foundries with these massive retort towers.

And, I mean, they go up hundreds of meters into the air.