Tim Ross

And I suppose that's what Kate's trying to, that's what she sees the value in and that's what she's fighting to save, but also trying to encourage more of it, to understand that that's what creates a great community.

And they're the things we want.

We want small places where we feel part of something.

We want to go to a cafe.

We want it to be like Cheers where everyone knows our name.

She understands that.

No, of course not.

It's the opposite.

Speaking of community, Kate's pure sunshine.

You're going to love this chat.

I say that every time, but the truth is you will.

Here we go.

Yeah.

That's a nice way of putting it, isn't it?

We're here in your wonderful home, which is a warehouse conversion in Fremantle.

I've always been very fond of Fremantle from the very first time that I came here in the mid-90s.

It's got a really extraordinary energy and a big art scene and it's just a fabulous place to be full of fabulous people.

Why is it special to you?

What's the draw?

It's a creative department store, I remember it very fondly.