Tim Ross

It's just that the quality of the detailing is really poor.

Exactly right.

Which is so disappointing because you can somehow just understand the intention but it's never fully – it's not worked through.

Yeah.

Which is, I think, unforgivable almost.

But with your work, there is a whole sequence of experiences through the scales, as it were, right down to the finest thing.

Before we started recording, you were talking about Jørgensson's place in the Mediterranean, in Majorca, and the fact that he built three houses, I think, on the site, on top of a cliff.

But the antithesis of the work that he did when he was working in Sydney...

You always try and find an opportunity to have a...

Have a hand in something in the building.

You used the word intimacy there, which is a quoted word in domestic architecture.

But what are the devices for that?

How do you go about making intimacy in a building?

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Oh, I do like this place.

Really?

This really sounds to me like it's the theme tune for Are You Being Served.

Oh, that's so good.

That's Gaetano Pesce.