Timothy Naftali

Look, one of the things that's clear about the Trump library is it's going to reflect the mores and the corruption of the era we're living in.

So it'll be very representative of this period.

Well, I mean, I think I think the first term had a few things that could be pointed to warp speed.

Of course, the Trump people don't want to talk about that.

Maha does not include vaccines.

But I really and this is a point of view that may seem old fashioned now and naive, but

I really believe that it is healthy for a country to learn about the strengths and weaknesses of our presidents rather than seeing them as these totems or these saints that are perfect or are devils.

Nixon is complicated.

One of the things about Nixon that...

people might find interesting is that he had a sense of shame.

He had a sense of shame and he had a sense of legitimacy.

And his sense of legitimacy was his understanding of what the presidency should look like.

And when he thought about the presidency, he was thinking about Dwight Eisenhower and he was thinking about Franklin Roosevelt.

So that's why he was so secretive.

Yes, he had dark impulses, but he knew that the American people would not embrace them.

And so he was not honest about them.

We live in a different period.

We live in a period where we have a president who has been reelected despite the fact that he shared his dark impulses with the American people.

And he is not constrained by shame.

And Nixon had shame, so it meant internal constraint.