Tina Brown

And I mean, I think you really do see the slide now into the complete autocratic posture, essentially, because what he's understood is that you get the media owners and he doesn't have to tell the press individually.

If you get Larry Ellison, you know, who's such a Trump supporter and friend and ally in the tech world and his son, David, to take over CBS and CNN, you don't need to worry about individual stories.

You've got the bloke in charge who's going to make sure that it goes your way.

Do you think he's a fascist?

I think he's become one, actually.

I think that he's like this sort of evil angel at this point.

I mean, it really has become so.

I did not think so much in the first term, but I think that as he's got more and more and more power, and look at the things that he's doing.

Gold statues of him, gold everywhere, and the ballroom, and putting his name on every single building.

I mean, it's totally like a...

Saddam Hussein putting his like statues of himself.

I mean, we're in a place where he just wants the Trump Kennedy Center.

He wants it to be the Trump Kennedy Airport.

I mean, you know, he's gone out of his mind.

I wouldn't have said that Jeffrey Epstein had charm, but he understood how to do this extraordinary sort of Rolodex game where it was like, get Rory Stewart.

And by getting Rory Stewart, you get Ali Campbell.

By getting Ali Campbell, you might get Tony Blair.

By getting Tony Blair, you know, so he was able to do this kind of extraordinary dance where he, I mean, the emails, I think, just show the amount of time that

and volume of this kind of endless, often kind of concierge-like networking.

I mean, it was really incredible to me how he's always writing to people saying things like, you know, I can get your kid a job or, you know, shall I send a car to the airport or you could use my plane?